Mesa & Eagle's ERJ's

[PropPiedmont]

Heard a rumor that half of Eagle's Fleet will be parked and Mesa is going to pick up a bunch of their ERJ's. They won't be flying them for American either.

 

[XPOO]

Mesa is giving up all of it's 50-seat flying to go pick up more 50-seaters? I'm sure to JO that makes perfect sense. Congrats!

 

[brokedash]

Heard a rumor that half of Eagle's Fleet will be parked and Mesa is going to pick up a bunch of their ERJ's. They won't be flying them for American either.

Who would they fly them for then?

 

[RJLoser]

Who would they fly them for then?

Pinnacles flying when we go TU.

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

I heard a rumor Eagle will be replacing their 37 and 44 seaters with 190s and 319s.

 

[brokedash]

Pinnacles flying when we go TU.

I call BS on that. It will be a cold day in Hell before YV and DL tango again.

 

[brokedash]

Heard a rumor that half of Eagle's Fleet will be parked and Mesa is going to pick up a bunch of their ERJ's. They won't be flying them for American either.

AA owns all those ERJs. Why would they park them and sell for someone else to fly for a competitor? AA probably doesn't want that many ERJs flying, but if they can sublet them and get the job done a lower cost than Eagle cost them, then it's highly likely to happen. BTW Eagle will probably always cost more as long as its entirely operated inside AMR.

 

[lookin4better]

I heard a rumor Eagle will be replacing their 37 and 44 seaters with 190s and 319s.

Funny, but even more funny.... you will never leave Eagle if that happens.

 

[kf4amu]

If the pilots take a big enough pay cut they could get a lot of planes and a quick upgrade.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Mesa is giving up all of it's 50-seat flying to go pick up more 50-seaters? I'm sure to JO that makes perfect sense. Congrats!

Yup, you are absolutely correct...that is JO logic completely

 

[rjacobs]

AA owns all those ERJs. Why would they park them and sell for someone else to fly for a competitor? AA probably doesn't want that many ERJs flying, but if they can sublet them and get the job done a lower cost than Eagle cost them, then it's highly likely to happen. BTW Eagle will probably always cost more as long as its entirely operated inside AMR.

AA leases all of those ERJ's as far as I know.

Why sublet them(and be stuck at a high initial lease cost) when you can shed the leases(or DRASTICALLY reduce them) in the bankruptcy? I am sure AA will offer the lessor like 10% of what they are currently paying and if the lessor wont take it, they will just shed the lease and the lessor will be stuck with the plane. Seeing as how the market for used ERJ's isnt good right now, you might be surprised to see the lessor accept a crazy deal and Eagle will continue in its present form. I doubt this will happen, but it might.

 

[rjacobs]

If the pilots take a big enough pay cut they could get a lot of planes and a quick upgrade.

Airline pilots could fly for free and airlines would still lose money.

 

[silver02ex]

Pinnacles flying when we go TU.

Delta is the one that got rid of Freedom, they went to court over it. Delta paid lots of money to get rid of the 50 seater over at Mesa side, and you think Delta would hand it right back to Mesa?

 

[mesaserf]

Something is definitely up at corporate. JO has been shuttling back and forth from DFW and appeared to be upbeat about our prospects. I'm just waiting for his offer of more flying as long as we accept 86 seat pay for 100 seat aircraft. Then I get to watch my union fold like a cheap suit.


Good times.

 

[SYX328]

Which means MESA would need to restart the program for the E145's. As they have none left. Which then would mean more money out of pocket. And JO is that cheap.

 

[Dick Cabeza]

Has anyone mentioned on this post that........ Me$a $uck$?

 

[N4niner206]

Has anyone mentioned on this post that........ Me$a $uck$?

You suck dick cabeza.

 

[spacecadet1]

Heard that Mesa will get the 319's and fly 'em for $80/hr. AA will then kick ass with the help of Mesa. Merger will soon follow, with Mesa stapled

 

[kf4amu]

Heard that Mesa will get the 319's and fly 'em for $80/hr. AA will then kick ass with the help of Mesa. Merger will soon follow, with Mesa stapled

That'll be so worth it! Mesa guys get on the seniority list at AA!!! SWEET!

 

[N4niner206]

Heard they're talking a minimum of 50 airplanes, and the version I'm hearing is that PF was telling people working at SOC that the planes will be flying in American colors. Not sure the type... been hearing likely possibly 50 and 70 seaters. The 50-seaters would presumably be subleased from AMR, while the 70s could be additional flying for AMR.

Also heard rumors of Spirit starting something at Gateway and speculation that something might be happening there with Mesa. Who knows.

Next question... where will they find pilots to fly them? We'll see...

 

[brokedash]

Heard they're talking a minimum of 50 airplanes, and the version I'm hearing is that PF was telling people working at SOC that the planes will be flying in American colors. Not sure the type... been hearing likely possibly 50 and 70 seaters. The 50-seaters would presumably be subleased from AMR, while the 70s could be additional flying for AMR.

Also heard rumors of Spirit starting something at Gateway and speculation that something might be happening there with Mesa. Who knows.

Next question... where will they find pilots to fly them? We'll see...

Don't see anything happening beyond leased 50 seaters to start. AMR would need to get scope cut by the BK court to allow 70 seaters. That hasn't happened but it is possible AMR is lining up contractors for that flying if the get it.

Spirit is about to launch service out of IWA. 3 flights a day. To small, IMM, to envolve Mesa, but if Spirit is succesful at building up LAS, then something might transpire.

 

[sniper]

Something is definitely up at corporate. JO has been shuttling back and forth from DFW and appeared to be upbeat about our prospects. I'm just waiting for his offer of more flying as long as we accept 86 seat pay for 100 seat aircraft. Then I get to watch my union fold like a cheap suit.


Good times.

Your union is you, don't blame anyone but YOU.....get your merging com up and running and stop bitching about your leaders who only care for your own good

 

[Poahi]

Delta is the one that got rid of Freedom, they went to court over it. Delta paid lots of money to get rid of the 50 seater over at Mesa side, and you think Delta would hand it right back to Mesa?

Delta got out of the 50 seaters by canning Mesa. They saved a fortune. It wasn't primarily about performance, it was about capacity. It was nothing personal and I wouldn't be surprised if they were back in bed with each other in less than 12 months.

 

[brokedash]

Delta got out of the 50 seaters by canning Mesa. They saved a fortune. It wasn't primarily about performance, it was about capacity. It was nothing personal and I wouldn't be surprised if they were back in bed with each other in less than 12 months.

It would be more likely that Mesa's assests are flying for DLX with another airline in 12 months vs. Mesa and DL working together again.

 

[ratherbeflyen]

Something is definitely up at corporate. JO has been shuttling back and forth from DFW and appeared to be upbeat about our prospects. I'm just waiting for his offer of more flying as long as we accept 86 seat pay for 100 seat aircraft. Then I get to watch my union fold like a cheap suit.

JO is probably upbeat due to his new job at AA. Just ask the former XE ceo how he likes it there.