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Mesa drops takeover bid for ACAI

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Andy

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http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/business/s_170804.html

Atlantic coast stands to gain a tremendous amount of growth if something negative were to happen to USAir. While they may have lost their deal with UAL, IMHO ACAI mgt is getting it's self into position to take advantage of USAir and UAL misfortunes.

What are they calling themselves, "Freedom air"?

They are going to try and rebrand themselves as an LCC. IMHO they will succed. With their labor costs so low(look at what the pilots gave back, A320 pay rates) they can eaisly match what JetBlue is charging for a trans con out of IAD. With all of their RJ's up and running they can easily take market share from UAL once their contract has expired(4/2004?) How fast can UAL replace all of that feed?

If something happens to USAir, they will be hard pressed to survive. One of the stipulations is that USAir CAN NOT merge with another carrier until their ATSB loan is less then $500 million. That would require a $400 million dollar pay back, of which they don't have. IMHO if they go ch11, ch7 is not far behind.

ACIA stands to gain if USAir falls.
 
G4G5 said:
[They are going to try and rebrand themselves as an LCC. IMHO they will succed. With their labor costs so low(look at what the pilots gave back, A320 pay rates) they can eaisly match what JetBlue is charging for a trans con out of IAD. With all of their RJ's up and running they can easily take market share from UAL once their contract has expired(4/2004?) How fast can UAL replace all of that feed?

ACAI's contract with UAL isn't terminated until UAL says it's terminated ... there's no end date.
UAL is already working on a plan to replace ACAI feed:
http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/031223/1017000686_2.html
No fine details; no need for UAL to make them public.

ACAI's gates at IAD are designed to handle RJs. What modifications are required to handle A320s? As far as the fares that ACAI charges for those transcons, you can bet that UAL will match them until ACAI bleeds itself dry.
 
Andy said:
ACAI's contract with UAL isn't terminated until UAL says it's terminated ... there's no end date.
UAL is already working on a plan to replace ACAI feed:
http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/031223/1017000686_2.html
No fine details; no need for UAL to make them public.

ACAI's gates at IAD are designed to handle RJs. What modifications are required to handle A320s? As far as the fares that ACAI charges for those transcons, you can bet that UAL will match them until ACAI bleeds itself dry.

The gate modifications for the A319/320's are complete. It called leasing gates in the B terminal at IAD.

Please explain how UAL will be able to operate transcon routes at a loss right out of CH.11? In addition, I am sure the DOJ will be watching carefully for any illegal predatory pricing by UAL. If they price tickets below their profit level, it could be against the law.
 
Carl_Everett said:
The gate modifications for the A319/320's are complete. It called leasing gates in the B terminal at IAD.

Please explain how UAL will be able to operate transcon routes at a loss right out of CH.11? In addition, I am sure the DOJ will be watching carefully for any illegal predatory pricing by UAL. If they price tickets below their profit level, it could be against the law.

Carl,
Thanks for the info on the gates.
Are you serious thinking that DOJ is going to be watching UAL's pricing? Even a mediocre accountant can crunch numbers to make a ticket price look profitable on paper. When was the last time that an airline was fined for predatory pricing?
 
I'm sure ACA would love to continue with the current lucrative fee for departure rates with UAL - it would be a revenue stream while we are setting up Independence. There is nothing in our contract that says we can't run Independence and fly for UAL at the same time - that is how we got RJ's in the first place when UAL's pilots forbade us from having RJ's.
 
ACAI's gates at IAD are designed to handle RJs. What modifications are required to handle A320s? As far as the fares that ACAI charges for those transcons, you can bet that UAL will match them until ACAI bleeds itself dry. [/B]

ACA has options to lease up to 50% of the B-gates at IAD. The A-gates are strictly for 70-seater or smaller although they designed the A-gate "fingers" to be moveable, if need be.
 
Andy said:
Carl,
Thanks for the info on the gates.
Are you serious thinking that DOJ is going to be watching UAL's pricing? Even a mediocre accountant can crunch numbers to make a ticket price look profitable on paper. When was the last time that an airline was fined for predatory pricing?

If true, a highly trained and specialized accountant at the DOJ can spot the mediocre accounting by UAL for what it is. Sorry Andy, but historicly speaking the majors have been caught before and fined for pricing schemes that you mentioned.

It's just not that easy anymore to get the government and politicians to look the other way.

Mike
 
Cappy said:
If true, a highly trained and specialized accountant at the DOJ can spot the mediocre accounting by UAL for what it is. Sorry Andy, but historicly speaking the majors have been caught before and fined for pricing schemes that you mentioned.

It's just not that easy anymore to get the government and politicians to look the other way.

Mike

Again Mike, when was the last time that the DOJ fined someone? AMR didn't get fined for killing Legend, in spite of AMR making no effort to hide the fact they were trying to put Legend out of business.
 
It is difficult to prove predatory pricing, even when it seems obvious. Ted and Song are merely a facade to make it impossible to prove. Mesa giving up allows ACA focus on the task at hand, but ACA is still directly in United's sights.
 
Don't forget Andy that UAL is "cooperating fully" with a DOJ investigation on Mesa's takeover attempt. Todays dropping of the takeover offer does not make that go away. The DOJ laywers will be looking for anything they can to justify their jobs.

The court record for the injunction hearing included UAL threatening "irrational behavior" over our UAX contract and indy plans. Sorta set themselves up for future accusations IMHO.
 
When is Independence Air scheduled to begin service officially (without UAL affiliation)? What about the Ryan contract - when will that start? Any official dates yet?
 
Andy
ACAI's contract with UAL isn't terminated until UAL says it's terminated ... there's no end date.

G4G5
You need to read the 11/20/2003 copy of Aviation Week. The new airline will be called independence air and according to Aviation week they expect to have completed the court process and be free from the UAL contract by April 2004. Or are you trying to tell us that AICA has gone out and started the process of creating Independence air, with no time line at all? They know exactly when they will be free from UAL, the reports have it as April of '04


http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2003/11/17/daily46.html

ACAI's gates at IAD are designed to handle RJs. What modifications are required to handle A320s? As far as the fares that ACAI charges for those transcons, you can bet that UAL will match them until ACAI bleeds itself dry.

G4G5
How did JetBlue get gates at IAD. Are you saying they have no chance of getting a couple of gates with a get bridge?

UAL will not only have to meet them but provide the feed and then compete with LCC's like Jet Blue. You really need to get a close look at the ACIA/Independence air pilot contract rates for the new Airbus's. UAL will be losing money if they "match" the fairs as you suggest. How long can a bankrupt carrier afford to lose money while the other guys are making money on the same route?

"With 44 gates, 87 regional jets and a fleet that will include at least 25 Airbus jets, ACA will operate more than 325 daily departures from Dulles, offering high-frequency service to a large number of markets for both local and connecting passengers. The company’s high-utilization operation and low distribution costs will allow it to offer walk-up fares up to 70% lower than those offered today for service to and from Washington Dulles. "

Sure sound to me like they have a head start, especially when you consider how many RJ's UAL has to compete with.
 
kn65 said:
US doesnt have 400 mil to pay back ??????

They don't.

But and here's the big BUT.

If they go BK for a second time the Laon board could demand that they repay the loan.

The Loan board also has a clause that says that USAir can not merge with any other carrier until the loan ballance is below $500 million.

What I was saying is a merger for USAir's survival is not an option unless they get the $900 million dollar loan down to less then $500 million. Which is not going to happen.
 
ACA's break with UAL is great for United pilots. United cancelled about 300 furloughs based on block hour projections being higher - part of which has been explained as being because of the loss of ACA feed and Independence Air. I don't believe anybody in UAL upper mgt sits around plotting the demise of Independence or any other carrier. However, figuring out how to compete domestically with the discounters is a matter of survival. I predict at least one of the domestic/international big boys will not be able to adapt and thus disappear. If there is another big terror event (I'm knocking on wood) in the next six months, United and maybe USAir will be gone. Unless its a nuke - then the military will be paying for all the planes capable of crossing the pond while we clean out everything between Morroco and Turkey and a few LCCs might go belly up. If the economy continues to improve and no big terror event, whichever of the big boys that didn't change radically is in trouble. Anyway, before launching on that prediction my point was going to be that Indepence Air is a great opportunity for you guys and I hope you do well!
 
G4G5 said:
You need to read the 11/20/2003 copy of Aviation Week. The new airline will be called independence air and according to Aviation week they expect to have completed the court process and be free from the UAL contract by April 2004. Or are you trying to tell us that AICA has gone out and started the process of creating Independence air, with no time line at all? They know exactly when they will be free from UAL, the reports have it as April of '04

G4G5, I haven't read the article. That date is almost certainly based on the expected date of UAL's emergence from chap 11. This 'loose end' will have to be tied up prior to UAL's emergence.

Here's an article stating S&P's position on ACAI's prospects (note how termination date of UAL/ACAI's contract is contingent upon UAL's emergence date):

DJN: PRESS RELEASE: S&P:Atlantic Coast Airlines Rtgs Off Watch
(Dow Jones 12/23 14:17:51)

The following is a press release from Standard & Poor's:

NEW YORK (Standard & Poor's) Dec. 23, 2003--Standard & Poor's Ratings Services said today it affirmed its ratings on Atlantic Coast Airlines Holdings Inc., including the 'B-' corporate credit rating, and removed them from CreditWatch, where they were placed Oct. 6, 2003. The outlook is negative.

"The ratings affirmation is based on the termination of regional airline holding company Mesa Air Group Inc.'s unsolicited offer to purchase Atlantic Coast Airlines Holdings," said Standard & Poor's credit analyst Betsy Snyder. "Mesa terminated its offer after United Air Lines Inc., Atlantic Coast's feeder partner at Washington Dulles airport, terminated its memorandum of understanding, under which both Mesa and Atlantic Coast would have operated as United Express carriers at Dulles," the credit analyst continued.

Ratings on Atlantic Coast Airlines Holdings Inc. reflect its relatively small size within the high-risk U.S. airline industry and substantial operating lease burden, mitigated to some extent by revenue stability that
has been provided by fee-per-departure contracts with major airline partners. Atlantic Coast currently operates two regional airlines that offer feeder service for both United and Delta, primarily along the East Coast and in the Midwest and Canada, under fee-per-departure agreements. Fee-per-departure flying enables both United and Delta to take full control of the seats Atlantic Coast flies for them as well as responsibility for all risks, including fuel and the sale of seats. These agreements reduce operating and financial risks for a regional airline in periods of economic weakness, resulting in more stable earnings and cash flow. However, in July 2003, Atlantic Coast announced that it planned to establish a new low-fare,
independent airline, to be called Independence Air, to be based at Dulles, anticipating that its relationship with United will end when United exits from bankruptcy protection. The transition to a low-fare, independent airline from a regional feeder airline for a large network carrier will entail several risks. While the company does benefit from its large market presence at Dulles, where there is presently no low-fare competition, it could find itself competing against other low-fare carriers at relatively nearby airports (e.g., Southwest Airlines Co. at Baltimore), and potential replacement United Express partners at Dulles. In addition, there will be less stability in the company's revenues and cash flow than it enjoyed under the fee-per-departure agreement it had with United. Under bankruptcy rules, United has the option to assume the existing fee-per-departure agreement with Atlantic Coast by agreeing to honor all terms in full or to reject the agreement. Atlantic Coast expects United to reject those terms, when it emerges from bankruptcy in mid-2004. Atlantic Coast expects to maintain its relationship as a Delta Connection partner under its new strategy.

Atlantic Coast's planned transition to an independent low-fare airline entails significant risks. Failure to execute the new strategy successfully could result in a downgrade.
 
ACAI

Biggest issue to long-term success of ACAI is morale. JetBlue and SWA have employees that are generally "happy" with where they are. ACAI--many pilots there loathe management and can't wait to leave (if the opportunity presented itself). This is a crack in the foundation and means trouble later on. ACAI pilots are undercompensated. Adversarial relationship between management and crews.

This is not a business model to brag about.

Can they change? Possible, but unlikely.
 
The stock was up on speculation of a take over, no take over and the stock goes down. This should not be a surprise. Short of a couple of LCC's, who has a descent ballance sheet?

From Dow Jones 12/23
Atlantic Coast currently flies for UAL's United Express service, but UAL acknowledged in a press release Tuesday that Atlantic Coast "has made it clear it no longer wants to serve as United's contract United Express carrier out of Dulles."

So, UAL must find around 50 regional planes, and airlines to operate them, to replace that service. Sorting out the feeder service in Washington is a condition for UAL to emerge from bankruptcy protection. UAL has asked Atlantic Coast to renegotiate the contract for lower rates, but Atlantic Coast has refused.

Further, Atlantic Coast's plan to become a low-cost carrier puts the airline in direct competition with United. No other low-cost carrier uses Dulles as the base for operations.

http://news.morningstar.com/news/DJ/M12/D23/1072192863488.html
 
Cyclone,

While I agree with your comment that morale is important, I must ask you why you feel that morale is so bad at ACA?

1. The employees are very focused and unified, having just witnessed and I dare say helped ( www.aero2003.com ) in repelling the evil one from mesa. If there was anything good to come from mesa's amateur attempt at taking us over it is we employees are SOLIDLY behind the plan to transform ourself into a LCC carrier.

2. Pay: Undercompensated is a relative term. We did grant a concessionary contract. If we had stayed as an ACA controlled UAX feeder we would have taken a 7% cut, and the biggest plane would have been the 50 seat CRJ. The net result of this would be a two year roll back in longevity pay for all pilots with no upgrade opportunities.

If we were to be taken over by mesa, our current green book would have stayed in place, but we were very concerned that mesa would have taken away all growth first, then all current flying in an effort to beat us into concessions.

We took a 3% CRJ cut to go independent. The net effect is to roll back one step in longevity pay. This still puts our CRJ pay as second best in the business, above skywest and below comair. All of our props will be gone and there will be many upgrade opportunities for the next 2 to 3 years.

As for the Airbus pay, we start above jetBlue's base rate (yes, I know about their 70 hr bump), well above spirit, but well below southwest and airtran. Sure, as a very senior bus bound capt I would like more, but I am also realistic enough to realize the negotiations were tough against the mesa bid and LCC startup expenses. The 401K match for senior pilots is 6% (same as now) plus we will get up to 7.5% of the profit added on top of the match under the new plan. This $$ also goes into the 401K annually.

In summary I am very happy with the package our MEC got, and not worried at all about competing in the marketplace. Our relationship with the company is anything but adversarial (if that ever exists in the airline world!) at this time.

We fully realize that this is going to be an uphill battle to morph from a regional to a LCC. We do have a happy team, led by strong leaders (both union and management), cash, planes, gates, reservations system, marketing ready to go.

We are not going to kill UAL. We are not going to be able to offer first class seats to europe, south america etc. What we are going to offer is reasonably priced high frequency domestic travel. What we expect is to be able to capture or stimulate enough traffic to make a better profit than what we could have made under the slim deal we walked away from at the UAL table.

Is this as good as being a 777 capt at delta? No way, but it's a heck of a lot better than being destroyed by mesa or bled to death slowly by UAL's new regional deal.
 
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