Mesa and Delta...It's official

[General Lee]

I agree with that General. Now YOU try to remember that your role in life is not to replace us. Don't confuse yourself with "Mama Delta" (one of your prime tendencies), you're just a Delta pilot, not the CEO.

That seems to be the whole problem with folks like you. You think you own the airline. I got news for ya, you don't. You just work there. Capiche?

Yo Comprendo. But, our VP of flight Ops (and the Czar of DCI) stated that DCI would NOT get 90 or 100 seaters (during that infamous meeting 3 months ago), and he is incharge. If we ever decided to buy that size aircraft, I am sure they would offer it to Dalpa first to negotiate, and given the latest round of cuts and cutbacks, I think Dalpa would take it, even at lower rates. Look at Jetblue and the E190---a 12 year Capt will make $89 an hour. That is what YOU AND I ARE COMPETING WITH THESE DAYS----rates from a new airline with NO UNION. THAT IS OUR NEW COMPETITION, AND IT WILL AFFECT OUR RATES---YOURS AND MINE. QUIT BLAMING ALPA AND LOOK AROUND AND SEE WHAT REALLY IS AFFECTING OUR PAY. Capiche? A 12 year Captain flying a 100 seat aircraft shouldn't be paid $89 an hour.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

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General : You provide lift for Delta, I provide lift for Delta. There are guys on the street who used to provide lift for Delta. The difference is an arbitrary determination by our union.

Jet Blue pilots did the same thing your MEC has done. Get over it. The current Jet Blue guys negotiated cheap rates on airplanes they would not have to fly. Your MEC sent entire fleet types out to bid on code share. It seems like everyone is willing to give away flying on airplanes they don't think they will ever have to fly. At least Jet Blue did not let the codeshare cat out of the bag like your MEC did.

I'm starting to look forward to the day when Delta ceases operations. Delta has become the crappy underside of this industry thanks to employees that are are treated like the enemy by both management and other employee groups.

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[surplus1]

General,

You have a provision in your PWA that prevents us from operating a 90-seat airplane for Delta. Therfore, we can't operate it unless you give up that part of your contract. I have no problem whatever with that. We aren't trying to make you give that up.

You are correct, we can't compete with JetBlue on the pay rates. You can't either. On top of that your present infrastructure helps to make you less competitive. That is not your fault.

Let us not forget however, it was ALPA that first low-balled the EMB170 product, not JB. It was not regional pilots that did it, it was mainline pilots at USAirways. Can you name anyone that has lower rates for that equipment than MDA? Remember, the matched the Eagle contract, but they gave up 100% of their longevity, thus putting them all at 1st year pay. You can bet that the JBlue decision was based on that. As far as I know, there are no 1st yr capt's flying 70-seat jets at any regional carrier.

If Delta pilots want to give up their longevity to get a 90-seat airplane, go for it. The $89 JB pay that you quote for the EMB-190 applies to a 12 yr. Capt. Don't forget that JB hasn't even existed for 6 years so there will be no one at that pay rate. Virtually all of their EMB-190 capts can be expected to be pretty close to 1st year pay, which is $71 at present. That's not a pretty picture. Not for you, not for us, not for anyone.

As far as I know, only Mesa has lower pay for a 12 yr Capt in the CRJ-900 = $82. Also courtesy of ALPA. I do not envy your efforts.

 

[PCL_128]

The current Jet Blue guys negotiated cheap rates on airplanes they would not have to fly.

Just to clarify, the Jet Blue pilots did not "negotiate" anything on the new aircraft. Management imposed those crappy rates on the pilots. The pilots at Jet Blue are non-union and as such have no say whatsoever in the new rates.

 

[General Lee]

General : You provide lift for Delta, I provide lift for Delta. There are guys on the street who used to provide lift for Delta. The difference is an arbitrary determination by our union.

Jet Blue pilots did the same thing your MEC has done. Get over it. The current Jet Blue guys negotiated cheap rates on airplanes they would not have to fly. Your MEC sent entire fleet types out to bid on code share. It seems like everyone is willing to give away flying on airplanes they don't think they will ever have to fly. At least Jet Blue did not let the codeshare cat out of the bag like your MEC did.

I'm starting to look forward to the day when Delta ceases operations. Delta has become the crappy underside of this industry thanks to employees that are are treated like the enemy by both management and other employee groups.

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Delta may cease to exist, after a merger with NW or CAL. What will happen to ASA and Comair? Answer: Aeromexico Express based in Tampico. Or, you might get absorbed by Mesa. Take a pick. And, which other employees at DL treat us bad? We all know at mainline and Song that we are just along for the ride. I personally think some of our older stews should hang it up, but I don't tell them that! I still want free first class food.

Jetblue guys negotiated what? Are you sure about that?



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[scarlet]

Surplus1

I do believe the post is MESA and DELTA,, and NOT RJDC--go create on so others do not have to scroll through your opinions..because we do not CARE what you think.....

I do owe a computer or have access--you are a smart one--

YOU must be DELTA MGT>

 

[uba757]

If I remember well Surplus1 was not the person who made this a thread about RJDC. Just an observation. UBA757

 

[FlyComAirJets]

Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for (nearly) free?

Delta may cease to exist, after a merger with NW or CAL. What will happen to ASA and Comair? Answer: Aeromexico Express based in Tampico. Or, you might get absorbed by Mesa. Take a pick. And, which other employees at DL treat us bad? We all know at mainline and Song that we are just along for the ride.

Really Gee Lee, you have an overinflated opinion of yourself. One need only look at recent history at your once proud carrier, does the term 'asset purchase' sound familiar? It should, it's what happened to significant portions of The Greatest Airline of All Time, Pan American Airways. If some other carrier is foolish enough to bite off chunks of the Delta carcass, do you seriously believe that they are just going to blend you and your fabulously expensive pension plan right onto their list? Hmmmmmm?

I think Fins will get a kick out of how ALPA's Merger and Fragmentation Policy would be applied there!

Aeromexico Epress for us? Perhaps, but Taco Bell burrioto assembly line for you.

 

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! Mi Amigo! - I like AeroMexico Staple me to the part of the list where I fly with the junior folks ! Mui, mui, Bueno !

I'd rather have a crew of twenty something Senioritas and Chicas who think El Capitan is mui guapa than the Delta stews who do their uno mandatory pass through with the Sun Chips then sit on their peros for the next four hours perusing what ever the AARP sent them this month and worrying about wrinkle cream.

Have you spent a day in a Mexcian all inclusive? If Delta's folks had half the enthusiasm and professionalism your average $10 a week Mexican had, we would not be in half the mess we are in now.

Gratis Dox Equis Especial would be a nice touch on ATR's & RJ's with deferred packs. Si, where do I sign up for Sud Delta Connexion?

 

[PCL_128]

I'd rather have a crew of twenty something Senioritas and Chicas who think El Capitan is mui guapa

Finally, something you and I can agree on.

 

[General Lee]

Really Gee Lee, you have an overinflated opinion of yourself. One need only look at recent history at your once proud carrier, does the term 'asset purchase' sound familiar? It should, it's what happened to significant portions of The Greatest Airline of All Time, Pan American Airways. If some other carrier is foolish enough to bite off chunks of the Delta carcass, do you seriously believe that they are just going to blend you and your fabulously expensive pension plan right onto their list? Hmmmmmm?

I think Fins will get a kick out of how ALPA's Merger and Fragmentation Policy would be applied there!

Aeromexico Epress for us? Perhaps, but Taco Bell burrioto assembly line for you.

Huh? Que? Taco assembly line for who? Maybe you guys. You think DL would be broken up into pieces? Uh, I don't think so. How did Grinstein do with Western Airlines? Did he cut that up too? Nah. If we are sold it will be as one piece, and we will complement whoever buys us. You guys on the otherhand, should be wondering if Mesa will treat you right. Grinstein has a plan, and you may not be in it. Remember, like Palumbo says....."We don't plan to fail....." and we will sell core assets in the meantime. That is YOU baby. Don't worry, you will be serving burritos before me, and that will make you manager when I get there. Can I get Sunday's off please???

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

! Mi Amigo! - I like AeroMexico Staple me to the part of the list where I fly with the junior folks ! Mui, mui, Bueno !

I'd rather have a crew of twenty something Senioritas and Chicas who think El Capitan is mui guapa than the Delta stews who do their uno mandatory pass through with the Sun Chips then sit on their peros for the next four hours perusing what ever the AARP sent them this month and worrying about wrinkle cream.

Have you spent a day in a Mexcian all inclusive? If Delta's folks had half the enthusiasm and professionalism your average $10 a week Mexican had, we would not be in half the mess we are in now.

Gratis Dox Equis Especial would be a nice touch on ATR's & RJ's with deferred packs. Si, where do I sign up for Sud Delta Connexion?

Fins,

I have stayed in GDL on 24 hour layovers? Is that good enough? I have also hit Mexico City a few times. Not my favorite cities. Our trips to CUN are turns, but I have stayed there for fun, at the Melia Cancun. A glass pyramid structure----really nice resort.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[surplus1]

Pun intended

El Capitan is mui guapa ,,,,,,.

Hey Fins, I don't think you really want El Capitan (if its you) to be "muy guapa". The senoritas don't go for that.

And PCL_128, you agree? I never thought a right wing zealot would swing that way.

Just pulling your chains guys. Try "muy guapo", the chicas will appreciate that much more. LOL

 

[FlyComAirJets]

Right back at ya, babe!

Huh? Que? Taco assembly line for who? Maybe you guys. You think DL would be broken up into pieces? Uh, I don't think so. How did Grinstein do with Western Airlines? Did he cut that up too? Nah. If we are sold it will be as one piece, and we will complement whoever buys us. You guys on the otherhand, should be wondering if Mesa will treat you right. Grinstein has a plan, and you may not be in it. Remember, like Palumbo says....."We don't plan to fail....." and we will sell core assets in the meantime. That is YOU baby.

You are mixing up eras, Gee Lee. Western 1987 wasn't the basket case headed straight to the bottom like the S.S. DeltaTitanic is. A more accurate comparison would be to compare Delta to Pan Am circa 1991. What airline has the re$ource$ to bail out this mess AND billions (that's with a b) in pension obligations? Uh, I don't think so. Delta will be part and parceled out just like Pan Am was -- the Atlantic division will go here, the Shuttle will go there, and Song will just ... go. Some pilots might go along with the deal, but I wouldn't hold my breath about the pension thing but not to worry, it'll be bailed out like the steel companies were.

Just hang in there, bro', soon your fondest dream will be reaized and we will be completelly separate companies. Then we'll be competitors. I like our chances.

 

[PCL_128]

And PCL_128, you agree? I never thought a right wing zealot would swing that way.

Hey, twenty year old senioritas can bring everyone together.