Melted Engines

[N813CA]

show us the pictures please

 

[BoilerUP]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/482254_10102285168585768_975503021_n.jpg

 

[wmuflyguy]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/482254_10102285168585768_975503021_n.jpg

Holy crap!!!

That one relit?

How is this not in the news?

 

[Jon Rivoli]

That engine did not relight. I've seen engines like that before. That slag you see is the turbine blades. When they fail, they melt and it happens without stalling the plane.

A likely scenario here is that they were in cruise at Fl340 and that engine cored out on them. Possibly, before they took appropriate action and descended to drift down altitude the airspeed bled off and flamed out the other engine.

Fuel flow is always a function of compressor speed/ outlet pressure and thrust lever. When an engine flames out, fuel flow drops accordingly. A flow reversal/ engine stall can cause an over temp, but not usually to the degree that you melt the turbine. I have seen fan blades damaged by stalls, but never the turbine.

Until I hear the final report, I'm giving these guys the benefit of the doubt here in that they were probably operating near the max altitude for their weight and were perhaps at ECON cruise so their airspeed was already slow. The engine cores, airspeed rapidly bleeds off and the other engine flames out.

Let's wait and see.

 

[The Drizzle]

Or they got slow in the climb, snuffed both, got shaker, then pusher, pushed over at about -1.8G, slammed the FA into the ceiling, got lucky and got one re-lit.


but that's just the rumor.

 

[Max Q]

If I know one thing, it's that pilots are a superb source of accurate information.

See what I did there?

 

[dollacrackho]

Both pilots got canned immediately so i'm guessing it was gross negligence on their part . Scary to think that guys can get so complacent. It's a pretty monotonous job but wtf ? Get a cup of coffee, toothpick your eyelids open, do anything and if you absolutely can't keep your eyes open at least tell the other guy . Theres another guy at psa well known for sleeping on flights, hope this wakes his a$$ up at least . All conjecture on my part of course.

 

[Flying Illini]

That engine did not relight. I've seen engines like that before. That slag you see is the turbine blades. When they fail, they melt and it happens without stalling the plane.

A likely scenario here is that they were in cruise at Fl340 and that engine cored out on them. Possibly, before they took appropriate action and descended to drift down altitude the airspeed bled off and flamed out the other engine.

Fuel flow is always a function of compressor speed/ outlet pressure and thrust lever. When an engine flames out, fuel flow drops accordingly. A flow reversal/ engine stall can cause an over temp, but not usually to the degree that you melt the turbine. I have seen fan blades damaged by stalls, but never the turbine.

Until I hear the final report, I'm giving these guys the benefit of the doubt here in that they were probably operating near the max altitude for their weight and were perhaps at ECON cruise so their airspeed was already slow. The engine cores, airspeed rapidly bleeds off and the other engine flames out.

Let's wait and see.

You are wrong.

 

[wms]

There have been a number of cruise shakers lately. Long legs, long days, short nights, no auto-throttles? I heard they stalled at F340, they fought the pusher three times and on the third they flamed out. Trying a relight without sufficient airflow could core-lock the engine.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

You are wrong.

I may very well be. I'll wait for the report rather than condemn based on rumors.

 

[Flying Illini]

I may very well be. I'll wait for the report rather than condemn based on rumors.

I agree with that process but I'm getting my info from a source that doesn't involve pilots so I am weighting it accordingly.


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[CA1900]

I'll wait for the report rather than condemn based on rumors.

There's no place for that kind of logic here!

 

[J.Otto]

why isn this in the media? it sounds like the pax were in for a ride...

 

[Flying Illini]

why isn this in the media? it sounds like the pax were in for a ride...

I would love to know why there has been no report posted on the NTSB site let alone stuff in the media. Apparently the lid has been kept on pretty tight, even from PSA employees who don't seem to know much either.


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[LandRoverNut]

60 Year old Captain that was always slow, behind the airplane. I think they are running these planes full, tankering fuel and flying Eco speeds. Don't let management fly your airplane, and Fo's if you are going to let your captain sleep stay on top of the airplane.
Thank God 53 people didn't die!

 

[BentOver]

There have been a number of cruise shakers lately. Long legs, long days, short nights, no auto-throttles? I heard they stalled at F340, they fought the pusher three times and on the third they flamed out. Trying a relight without sufficient airflow could core-lock the engine.

Long legs, no auto throttles... Anyone who can't handle a 2 hr RJ flight without auto throttles should either get out now or plan on staying in the RJ forever. It only gets longer....

 

[Flyer1015]

I don't think anyone dreams of being a 20 year TP capt. Nobody dreams of being a 20 year RJ capt either...so I still don't get your point.

Actually, there are (very few) personlities that are addicted to the RJ left seat, and can't fathom leaving that to go to a major to be somebody's FO. It's mentally impossible for these few to actually be FOs again. Their ego and attitude wouldn't allow it.

 

[Northern Lights]

Actually, there are (very few) personlities that are addicted to the RJ left seat, and can't fathom leaving that to go to a major to be somebody's FO. It's mentally impossible for these few to actually be FOs again. Their ego and attitude wouldn't allow it.

HA! I know the type. Usually they think that they are flying a space shuttle mission. They love to write all over the paperwork and spend 10 minutes folding the release for a 45 min flight to BUF. Then after all that, they still don't fly SOP.

One of my "favorites" is the guy who said he didn't care about pay cuts, he would just pick up extra flying to cover the loss.

 

[kf4amu]

Actually, there are (very few) personlities that are addicted to the RJ left seat, and can't fathom leaving that to go to a major to be somebody's FO. It's mentally impossible for these few to actually be FOs again. Their ego and attitude wouldn't allow it.

Ugh you're right. It's been a while since I'd flown with one, I had forgotten. Piedmont has them too, but they mostly have 20+years seniority.

 

[Ops check good]

I cant speak for a pilot but from a mechanics point of view... An airplane is an airplane is an airplane. I work on the barbie jet variety and if I am able to keep my job/QOL for 20+ years that would be fantastic. What is wrong with being happy with where you are?