Medical fails may climb

[FR8mastr]

Good news

In the meantime, all our fatty pilots should get to work on getting in shape. It might be coming in time. From what I hear, it'll happen eventually but pilots who've been letting themselves go only have about a year to get squared away.
AMMV

You do understand that after the "fatty's" get diagnosed with SA they will be coming after you too.

 

[Jetjockey]

Remember that reading comprehension is a skill not everyone can master.

 

[slaquer5]

Good news

In the meantime, all our fatty pilots should get to work on getting in shape. It might be coming in time. From what I hear, it'll happen eventually but pilots who've been letting themselves go only have about a year to get squared away.
AMMV

Dude

Please lay off advice like this. The work out rooms are only so big.


I do not like a crowded work out room.





Just like when age 65 got passed ,all the old farts decided they needed to start working out . Althought that did not last long .


If you want to put the word our about anything , Let the Texas Tech girls know there is free beer at our hotel in LBB.

 

[waveflyer]

That's a great idea!!

And you're right-
Most people do what they're gonna do.

But!

If one has plenty of notice and knows what's expected and what is an issue and doesn't do what they need to do??

... Sorry...

 

[Bringupthebird]

Overweight pilots is a completely separate issue. Unless the FAA wants to pass a maximum weight restriction, then pilots should choose to lose weight for their own benefit. The issue is a rogue FAA Flight Surgeon who chose to bypass the rulemaking procedures in order to advance his personal agenda. We are a nation of laws, not men.

If the FAA wanted to encourage pilots to seek treatment for OSA, they could advise the local AMEs to ask all pilots about their general sleep quality and offer prescriptions for various devices (not CPAP, but smaller oral or nasal devices) and ask them to report back on how it affects them and allow the pilots to retain their medicals while seeking follow-up with sleep specialists and provide the necessary Special Issuance as needed.

The health risks associated with sleep apnea are also caused by other things such as poor schedules which contributes to poor sleep patterns even when home. To ignore this and treat CPAP therapy as the silver bullet is ignorant and dangerous.

 

[Juniority]

Just a personal observation here, but it seems that people (fat pilots) are pretty concerned about this issue. I'm a 23 on the BMI and lately I keep getting questioned by the "big guys" about how I stay slim. The conversations tend to be short because apparently "exercise" isn't the answer they want to here.

 

[pilotyip]

Just a personal observation here, but it seems that people (fat pilots) are pretty concerned about this issue. I'm a 23 on the BMI and lately I keep getting questioned by the "big guys" about how I stay slim. The conversations tend to be short because apparently "exercise" isn't the answer they want to here.

exercise alone does not guarentee that you will remain a BMI 23. It is a combination of diet and exercise. i.e. very simple formula if calories in = calories burned then weight is stable.

 

[Juniority]

exercise alone does not guarentee that you will remain a BMI 23. It is a combination of diet and exercise. i.e. very simple formula if calories in = calories burned then weight is stable.

See? That's what I was talking about. Why does it always go this way? Mr. Big-Fatty-Knowitall always ends up giving me (the 23 BMI guy) a lecture on how to stay thin. Conversation over.

 

[pilotyip]

See? That's what I was talking about. Why does it always go this way? Mr. Big-Fatty-Knowitall always ends up giving me (the 23 BMI guy) a lecture on how to stay thin. Conversation over.

you are funny, not knowing thing about me you are able to throw darts. Now I will admit according to the BMI charts I am only .5 away from being overweight, but that is not much more than your two points away from the stupid BMI of 25 defining overweight. Was there something illogical about my post calories in and calories out determine weigh? Take my wife she was on a 5,000 calories a day diet, she gained no weight because of her exercise regime. But after she set her world record she did not exercise so much and had to cut back on her diet to maintain weight. So it is a combination of exercise and calorie intake that maintains a given weight.

BTW Seeing you come from a USAF background I understand you taking input from someone who had been in the Navy

 

[PBRstreetgang]

"exercise" isn't the answer they want to here.

That's because they haven't about meth, BMI of -17 and being 6'3" and a solid 135lbs means total health!

 

[waveflyer]

That chart is crazy

Guant is healthy??

 

[Bringupthebird]

Just a personal observation here, but it seems that people (fat pilots) are pretty concerned about this issue. I'm a 23 on the BMI and lately I keep getting questioned by the "big guys" about how I stay slim. The conversations tend to be short because apparently "exercise" isn't the answer they want to here.

I hope you like wearing your CPAP when they get down to a BMI of 23 for testing. The only guy I know who had a sleep apnea diagnosis weighed 170lbs and was 5'10". He has 19 more years ahead of him to make sure the CPAP recording device doesn't fail each and every night. For the rest of his professional career.

Yeah, who cares when it's someone else's problem, eh?

 

[waveflyer]

That is the policy btw-

40 bmi and neck 17" he claims OSA is nearly universal

But: 30% of those with bmi UNDER 30 have OSA.


So here's my next issue: if OSA is this rampant and we have the safety record that we do- why is it a problem ?

 

[waveflyer]

I'm glad to see you doing actual work on this BringUp and not just posting on FI, right?

Anybody supporting age 65 needs to be on this big time - because EVERYBODY ELSE SAW IT COMING. This IS ON YOU.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I'm glad to see you doing actual work on this BringUp and not just posting on FI, right?

Anybody supporting age 65 needs to be on this big time - because EVERYBODY ELSE SAW IT COMING. This IS ON YOU.

BS Flag Wave. You know it. And yes I am working to promote the House bill.

Why can't you discern between defending the pilot profession from a self-serving individual and prolonging an out-of-date retirement age that undermined all pilot's credibility.

I worked on Age 65 while I was an F/O because it was right even though it had a short term negative impact on me.

What are YOU doing to help the profession?

 

[waveflyer]

No, HOW MANY OF US BRING, told you that upping the retirement age WOULD BRING INCREASED MEDICAL SCRUTINY??

Thousands did.

The idea you think this is a coincidence is the BS

 

[Bringupthebird]

So the answer to my question to you wave is "nuthin'"

 

[Bringupthebird]

There is no retirement age to GA flying, so your argument is BS. Face it, you wanted to keep 60 in place to protect your upgrade timeline, I get that. You didn't care that all the safety arguments against changing it undermined the pilot's credibility. The GO! crew that nodded off and are cited as reason for OSA testing were not over 60.

So, try some other attack on me, cause this one makes you look stupid.

 

[waveflyer]

Did you write your congressman and senator? Every representative you have?
Do you contribute more than the min to your union PAC? Tell them what you think? Write your union?
I've served moron- so no- not nothing- get over yourself.

You're clearly annoyed that what ALL OF US ANTI-AGE 65 guys predicted has come completely true- so the onus is on YOU- you better be doing the leg work on this-

As for my intentions, I'm ambivalent about age 65- I've stated my opinion many many times- being a captain past age 60 is a mistake- we had too much data about the health risks of age 60 captains- we could have gotten rid of age based retirements for FOs and we wouldn't have seen this- what we are seeing now - medical standards over-reach bc age 65 is a change and the data doesn't look good. You clearly don't understand the politics behind our career. The federal air surgeon was appointed at the cabinet level - do Americans care about private pilot medical standards? No- but they care about their captains- they don't care about FOs- they don't even think we're real pilots yet- now the surgeon has to do something or look like he's asleep at the wheel-

It should have been fly til you want- in the right seat- I'd like to do that- I love flying- and my idea on this is far from popular with anyone- so shut it-

Now bc each age 60+ medical incident highlights systemic pilot health issues- the surgeon now has the political will to increase standards. Before- we gone the better part of a half century with nothing but decreased scrutiny bc our record was so good-

What's undeniable is that what we predicted is coming true.
So you AND YOUR ILK BETTER DO YOUR POLITICAL WORK ON THIS- bc like all this debt, my generation will be paying the price for your short sighted decisions again

 

[Bringupthebird]

Thanks for clarifying your decision to stay with that non-argument. Sorry the F/O thing chaps your ass so bad.

Again, you still don't grasp that there is no connection between OSA and Age 65, as much as you may want to dream up one, it just doesn't exist.

7600+ posts tells me you're not the go-to guy you think you are.

 

[Flopgut]

Hey Bringuptheturd: hell yes guys like you caused this. Why else did prater feel the need to write his age 65 law with "no new medical criteria?!" You think he didn see OSA coming? He has a 28 inch neck and he's a fat sob. He saw all this coming and he didn't care. Your argument=over. Thanks a lot idiot. And before you pop off: It's captain flopgut

 

[Jim]

I'm glad to see you doing actual work on this BringUp and not just posting on FI, right?

Anybody supporting age 65 needs to be on this big time - because EVERYBODY ELSE SAW IT COMING. This IS ON YOU.

So you're saying this is on SWAPA since they were the union that led the charge for age 65?

 

[Bringupthebird]

And before you pop off: It's captain flopgut

So what is your planned retirement date? You are retiring well before 65 aren't you?

So the same Prater who you think is a sellout is also clairvoyant about medical issues? Why didn't he think the FAA would require enhanced diabetes screening? Why didn't he feel cardiac stress tests would be mandated? No, it's because you still can't get all your dots to line up so that you can blame one FAA flight surgeons juggernaut on the movement of the retirement age 5 years.

You think that had the retirement age remained the same, that some little cozy relationship with the preceding FAA Federal Air Surgeon would have kept the medical requirements unchanged? Really?

Say that to yourself and you'll hear how stupid it sounds.

Congrats Floppy. Condolences to your F/Os

 

[Flopgut]

You think that had the retirement age remained the same, that some little cozy relationship with the preceding FAA Federal Air Surgeon would have kept the medical requirements unchanged? Really?

Of course it would. Absolutely zero doubt. Don't forget what that rule's record was: perfect! Probably the most durable aviation rule ever written. We could live and work how we wanted, and the flying public got a known margin of safety. What it amounted to was freedom. Freedom to fly, airline, GA, sport or commercial, you name it. Now idiots like you have opened Pandora's box and will probably end up costing all Americans the freedom to fly nearly unrestricted. Freedom is a responsibility and YOU weren't up to it.

Why else do you think the FAS is being so ballsy with this? Because he's matching the same thing prater did. It's arrogance matching arrogance. You were just too sure you deserved rules be written how you want them. Well, now you're learning there are repercussions.

 

[Flopgut]

So what is your planned retirement date? You are retiring well before 65 aren't you?

I'm following my old man's footsteps, and he left 121 in his early 50's. Of course he had a regular retirement progression and didn't have to take a hit for guys like you. I'll put my money where my mouth is, you needn't worry about that.

I've been real healthy, and real unhealthy in my career. Usually is a function of what my schedule is. And since the only guys who really stayed after 60 did so if they had a good schedule, not too many of us others have. If I can't drink some beer and eat steak on my days off, then I really don't want to do this job. I can't imagine having this career dictate my entire existence.

 

[waveflyer]

Thanks for clarifying your decision to stay with that non-argument. Sorry the F/O thing chaps your ass so bad.

Again, you still don't grasp that there is no connection between OSA and Age 65, as much as you may want to dream up one, it just doesn't exist.

7600+ posts tells me you're not the go-to guy you think you are.

So it's just a coincidence huh?

You plan on making an argument, or just throwing out vague insults? Believe me I don't come to FI for validation and have thrown enough insults to take as many as you got. Knock yourself out- but so far- all you've said in response to my post is

"Nuh-uh, there isn't a connection..."

Got any proof or at least an opinion more fleshed out than this?

 

[waveflyer]

So you're saying this is on SWAPA since they were the union that led the charge for age 65?

Believe me- that was a divided house, and the pro65's are getting an earful very similar to what I posted.

Gummers better be doing actual work on this and not just bitching about it or defending their short sighted seniority grab

 

[pilotyip]

Gummers better be doing actual work on this and not just bitching about it or defending their short sighted seniority grab

and if things work out for you, you too may become a "gummer" someday:laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

and if things work out for you, you too may become a "gummer" someday:laugh:

I don't exactly think very highly of wave, but I get the impression that he's probably someone who has taken care of his finances responsibly and won't need to work well into old age to live.

 

[pilotyip]

I don't exactly think very highly of wave, but I get the impression that he's probably someone who has taken care of his finances responsibly and won't need to work well into old age to live.

Yes but all that only works if you live long enought to be a gummer