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[Flopgut]

Hey Bringuptheturd: hell yes guys like you caused this. Why else did prater feel the need to write his age 65 law with "no new medical criteria?!" You think he didn see OSA coming? He has a 28 inch neck and he's a fat sob. He saw all this coming and he didn't care. Your argument=over. Thanks a lot idiot. And before you pop off: It's captain flopgut

 

[Jim]

I'm glad to see you doing actual work on this BringUp and not just posting on FI, right?

Anybody supporting age 65 needs to be on this big time - because EVERYBODY ELSE SAW IT COMING. This IS ON YOU.

So you're saying this is on SWAPA since they were the union that led the charge for age 65?

 

[Bringupthebird]

And before you pop off: It's captain flopgut

So what is your planned retirement date? You are retiring well before 65 aren't you?

So the same Prater who you think is a sellout is also clairvoyant about medical issues? Why didn't he think the FAA would require enhanced diabetes screening? Why didn't he feel cardiac stress tests would be mandated? No, it's because you still can't get all your dots to line up so that you can blame one FAA flight surgeons juggernaut on the movement of the retirement age 5 years.

You think that had the retirement age remained the same, that some little cozy relationship with the preceding FAA Federal Air Surgeon would have kept the medical requirements unchanged? Really?

Say that to yourself and you'll hear how stupid it sounds.

Congrats Floppy. Condolences to your F/Os

 

[Flopgut]

You think that had the retirement age remained the same, that some little cozy relationship with the preceding FAA Federal Air Surgeon would have kept the medical requirements unchanged? Really?

Of course it would. Absolutely zero doubt. Don't forget what that rule's record was: perfect! Probably the most durable aviation rule ever written. We could live and work how we wanted, and the flying public got a known margin of safety. What it amounted to was freedom. Freedom to fly, airline, GA, sport or commercial, you name it. Now idiots like you have opened Pandora's box and will probably end up costing all Americans the freedom to fly nearly unrestricted. Freedom is a responsibility and YOU weren't up to it.

Why else do you think the FAS is being so ballsy with this? Because he's matching the same thing prater did. It's arrogance matching arrogance. You were just too sure you deserved rules be written how you want them. Well, now you're learning there are repercussions.

 

[Flopgut]

So what is your planned retirement date? You are retiring well before 65 aren't you?

I'm following my old man's footsteps, and he left 121 in his early 50's. Of course he had a regular retirement progression and didn't have to take a hit for guys like you. I'll put my money where my mouth is, you needn't worry about that.

I've been real healthy, and real unhealthy in my career. Usually is a function of what my schedule is. And since the only guys who really stayed after 60 did so if they had a good schedule, not too many of us others have. If I can't drink some beer and eat steak on my days off, then I really don't want to do this job. I can't imagine having this career dictate my entire existence.

 

[waveflyer]

Thanks for clarifying your decision to stay with that non-argument. Sorry the F/O thing chaps your ass so bad.

Again, you still don't grasp that there is no connection between OSA and Age 65, as much as you may want to dream up one, it just doesn't exist.

7600+ posts tells me you're not the go-to guy you think you are.

So it's just a coincidence huh?

You plan on making an argument, or just throwing out vague insults? Believe me I don't come to FI for validation and have thrown enough insults to take as many as you got. Knock yourself out- but so far- all you've said in response to my post is

"Nuh-uh, there isn't a connection..."

Got any proof or at least an opinion more fleshed out than this?

 

[waveflyer]

So you're saying this is on SWAPA since they were the union that led the charge for age 65?

Believe me- that was a divided house, and the pro65's are getting an earful very similar to what I posted.

Gummers better be doing actual work on this and not just bitching about it or defending their short sighted seniority grab

 

[pilotyip]

Gummers better be doing actual work on this and not just bitching about it or defending their short sighted seniority grab

and if things work out for you, you too may become a "gummer" someday:laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

and if things work out for you, you too may become a "gummer" someday:laugh:

I don't exactly think very highly of wave, but I get the impression that he's probably someone who has taken care of his finances responsibly and won't need to work well into old age to live.

 

[pilotyip]

I don't exactly think very highly of wave, but I get the impression that he's probably someone who has taken care of his finances responsibly and won't need to work well into old age to live.

Yes but all that only works if you live long enought to be a gummer

 

[Flopgut]

Yip has life completely backwards, and has no idea...

 

[PCL_128]

Yes but all that only works if you live long enought to be a gummer

Want the best chance of a long life? Don't work till you're old and gray.

 

[pilotyip]

Want the best chance of a long life? Don't work till you're old and gray.

Not true do a study on how working reduces the declines normally found in old age. Age 70. BP 110/74. BMI 24.5, perfect blood chemistry. I am having a ball, get to hang around airports, pliots and airplanes, what coudkl be better It is not up to anyone to judge how I go about aging. My dad worked until he was 85. Merry Chrstmas to all, the western world is not a bad palce to live due to the teaching of this guy from 2013 years ago. I wish you all the best

 

[waveflyer]

That's missing the point yip- I do plan on working all my life- everyone needs a purpose, but it will be focused on other things then- time will tell- and I hope that I do live a nice long fun life

This is a singular career yip. You feel free to work your office job and ramp as long as you'd like- the flight deck is a different environment. What me and flop are saying is that 40 years of age 60 led to decreased medical standards and a quality of life that benefitted all pilots.

Now, this FAS overreach -- = not a coincidence

 

[PCL_128]

Not true do a study on how working reduces the declines normally found in old age.

Actually, there are no peer reviewed studies on this that I've been able to find. There are statistics, but the experts say that the higher death rates in the fully retired are likely due to the fact that those in poor health already are far more likely to go into full retirement early, vastly skewing the numbers. In other words, the classic correlation does not equal causation.

I am having a ball, get to hang around airports, pliots and airplanes, what coudkl be better

Frankly, I can't think of much worse. But to each his own.

It is not up to anyone to judge how I go about aging

I don't care how you go about aging. Want to work until the day you croak? Go right ahead. Just don't do it in an airliner cockpit.

 

[pilotyip]

Frankly, I can't think of much worse. But to each his own.

I guess you don't fly because you like too

 

[Bringupthebird]

Flop and Wave have detached themselves so far from reality that I don't think there is a point to continuing to debate with them.

Tilton (who is 70 by the way) has decided to include other stakeholders which is reasonable, as was a small change in the retirement age which has proven significantly less dangerous than the anti-65 crowd would have everyone believe. So reason wins out over FUD.

To Wave and Flop and everyone else, I hope you are able to enjoy Christmas with your family. Age 65 played a small part in my not being senior enough to hold it off, even after all these years, but I still think it's a small sacrifice to right something that was wrong and my family and I will still have a nice Christmas on whatever day we celebrate it.

 

[Flopgut]

Tilton (who is 70 by the way) has decided to include other stakeholders which is reasonable.

He's being reasonable? Or he's having a change of thought because Congress is about to spell it out to him?

You really need to be able to understand the big picture. You can't see further than your narrow point of view.

From Tilton's point of view, it doesn't matter wether or not 60 to 65 is reasonable. It's how it was done, middle of the night with language that specifically took him [his position] out of the equation. Prater pulled a stunt, now Tilton's trying to pull a stunt and only one small group has gained anything and most of us have lost.

 

[PCL_128]

I guess you don't fly because you like too

I fly to make money. And at your advanced age, I would think that you would have learned the difference between "to" and "too" by now.

 

[Miami Freight]

That chart is crazy

Guant is healthy??

I just looked at the BMI chart. My BMI when I ran a marathon (a respectable 3:29) was 24.6. My resting heart rate then was 60. I once got down to 24 and my friends were concerned about my health because I became so gaunt. If they start judging they need to have a better method to determine who is overweight.

On an unrelated rant. If they are so worried about fatigue why are they considering a "Cargo Pilot Carve Out" for the new regs? They are hippocrates.