Maturity...

[qmaster3]

I'm definately going the 4 yr degree route. I have just heard tha some guys get in with an AA (I'm thinking enlisted guys here probably)

That's probably an enlisted commissioning program. The Coast Guard takes enlisted guys with 32/Semester hours, and navy you can apply with an associate’s degree. Or without one at a certain rank. Being an insider opens some doors, but being 19 apply for some officer programs that will let you go back to school, pay you to get study, drink beer, and get laid. Call an officer recruiter.

 

[freddriver20]

I went to AF OTS off the street as a civilian. It was no problem at all. The worst thing was trying to stay awake during those mass classes. PT wasn't even very tough. Plus, there were so many prior enlisted guys that they'll be able to answer any questions you may have and can teach you all the bed folding/boot polishing techniques and other quirks that you deal with in a training environment.

I'm pretty sure the Air Force OTS is the least "unpleasant"

At my reserve unit we all call each other by first name unless the guy/girl is O6 (obviously) or some kind of commander. Although a butter bar should really throw out the "sir/ma'am" until he hits O2...

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I'm pretty sure the Air Force OTS is the least "unpleasant"

Softest by far....maybe even warm and fuzzy. Although everyone has gone warm and fuzzy of late. Sure wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of a new recruit or officer canditate, especially the homos.

 

[freddriver20]

Most of the time the "new" candidates were being taught/led around by the "senior" class (people that had been there a whopping 4 weeks longer!) Talk about the blind leading the blind...

 

[qmaster3]

Softest by far....maybe even warm and fuzzy. Although everyone has gone warm and fuzzy of late. Sure wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of a new recruit or officer canditate, especially the homos.

or females.

 

[sardaddy]

The only way I know that someone can get into flight school without having a bachelor's degree is either by being prior enlisted or by going into the Army's Warrant officer flight program.


In that program you are not even required to have a degree. However, any schooling you have does help for the selection process.

You are guaranteed a slot in flight school before you leave, you go through basic training, Warrant officer candidate school and then enter flight training. It is a great program but the down side is you will not be getting paid as much as your commissioned officer counterparts.


Hindsight2020, I guess I missed your point because I never said that stuff didn't happen. No denial here. I know it happens. I just said none of that runs rampant through the military as you seem to think it does. What do you base this on anyway? Have you served in the military?

 

[Jafar]

Softest by far....maybe even warm and fuzzy. Although everyone has gone warm and fuzzy of late. Sure wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of a new recruit or officer canditate, especially the homos.

Yeah, it's pretty civilianized. I think the AF is the exact opposite service of the Marine Corps. The Navy and Army sit in between the two. When I was going through Air Force re-education as I call it I couldn't believe my ears. "Co-workers" WTF is that? "Supervisor"? Huh?

The other day this MSgt comes up to me. "Hey SSgt, you wanna give me a hand?" You know what we were doing? Emptying trash cans around the squadron. No $hit. In the Marines If I was ever following a Gunny around while wearing Sgt stripes myself and we were emptying garbage cans I would know without a doubt that hell had finally frozen over.

Just a different culture, that's all. I like it. All that hoorah tough guy crap was great when I was 17. Now, I'm digging this AF thing.

Ultimately every service is different and they all do their jobs well. Just different cultures. The Corps was more of an institution, the AF is more of a corporation. In wartime, they both kick @ss equally well.

 

[F16fixer]

Jafar,
Are you from Shaw AFB. I was in the 77 FS. Couldn't exactly tell if that was 20 FW plane.

Gamblers

 

[Jafar]

Nope, I just like the pic.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

In wartime, they both kick @ss equally well.

Ain't that the truth?!?!

 

[hindsight2020]

Hindsight2020, I guess I missed your point because I never said that stuff didn't happen. No denial here. I know it happens. I just said none of that runs rampant through the military as you seem to think it does. What do you base this on anyway? Have you served in the military?

No, you're in denial because of your position to underplay it. No I'm not in the military. Regarding that one let me use the sh3t analysis:

Let's say I'm about to step on the sh3t, and you're already sitting on it.....then if credibility is going to be assessed on whether I have to step on the sh3t to be entitled to argue that it is in fact sh3t, then you're in no more credible position than mine as your sitting on the sh3t puts you at quite a conflict of interest to argue that it is NOT sh3t, since who wants to admit they are sitting on sh3t?! (I can only imagine the myriad of interpretations that will result from this analogy LOL)

My knowledge comes by proxy, family members, friends who are serving, access to bases and the social dynamics that I've been exposed to from there. Pretty much how it's been described, not trying to make the case that civi's are functional by any means, just trying to highlight that the military denies it pretty strongly, you are a classic example of this denial, however it may be for different reasons. Sorry if we don't agree on a point of fact, we'll dance all night to this one then. At any rate that was my point in the last reply.

 

[HoursHore]

Hindsight2020,

Your an a$$

Sincerely,
HoursHore

P.S.

I've been in 10 years, the last 2 as a reservist. All the crap you are saying happens equally on both side of the fence. Neither the service or Civilian life has a monopoly, so quit trying to portray the service as a breeding ground of alcoholic wife-swapping non-adjusted maniacs.
Cause I resemble that remark.

By the way, F6fixer was making a joke that you took as an actual comment. Maybe thats one thing the service gives one, a sense of freakin' humor.

 

[qmaster3]

Hindsight2020,
so quit trying to portray the service as a breeding ground of alcoholic wife-swapping non-adjusted maniacs.

I take it you weren't Navy

 

[sardaddy]

This is one of those arguments I can't win.

If I tell you that you are right, you win. If I tell you that you are wrong you just say I am in denial. Good set up for you hindsight. Although people can see through your ploy pretty easily. I won't post anymore on this after this post as it it pointless but you did give me a good laugh.

"just trying to highlight that the military denies it pretty strongly, you are a classic example of this denial, however it may be for different reasons."

What different reasons would there be? Are you admitting that not all of us are propoganda machines trained to deny anything ever goes wrong in the military? We know it isn't utopia but we don't put up with dirtbags either.

I haven't denied anything. I agreed that the things you mentioned do happen. It just doesn't happen as often as you may think it does. You are basing your OPINIONS on hearsay, second hand reports, and perhaps even a brief glimpse of what a military base might hold. But you haven't any facts to back up your claims.


This is my favorite: "Sorry if we don't agree on a point of fact"

What fact? As I said before, you have posted none. You have posted some inflamatory remarks that, while they do exist they do not run rampant as you seem to think they do.

What do I base my opinion on? 17 years of service in two services, working with all of the services, holding rank in all three levels enlisted, warrant officer and commissioned officer and actually experiencing military life and many military bases. I have been privy to many blotter (MP) reports posted on different bases acting as the senior duty officer.

And the only and simple fact of all of this is again, that it happens but I have yet to be surrounded by a bunch of wife beating alcoholics with a thousand yard stare in my entire career.

So take your agenda, whatever it is, and cram it. I thought this was supposed to be a sight about aviation, military aviation in this particular thread. You have successfully taken away from that.

I won't be wasting any more of my time on this subject. The original question was how much maturity is needed to be in the military. While the writer of the original post seems to have enough, you hindsight, seem to be lacking even enough to make it in civilized society.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I take it you weren't Navy

...or met any of the Kadena Air Force wives...

 

[skyward80]

Hindsight:

Wow, dude! What an attitude! Somebody with almost zero experience in the civ world and totally no experience in the military world hurling all those insults around.

The people you're insulting are the same young guys/gals getting blown to pieces on a daily basis while little $h**s like you sit here and cast insults.

You're entitled to your opinion... everybody is. I'd just advise you to educate yourself a little more before you open your mouth or start typing on a keyboard. Not doing so simply makes it obvious that you're an ignorant little kid.

The fact is that the military displays a cross-section sampling of US citizens. There are those who drink too much and those who hit their wives. That's sad, and the service tries to help those people as much as possible. However, it's not a rampant problem, and it's not any more or less prevalent than you would see in the civilian world.

I hope I never have somebody like you sitting in my front office. That's about the only thing I can tell you. I'd never want to share a flight deck with somebody so blatantly ignorant and intolerant.

To all those fine military folks out there... I'm proud to have the opportunity to be able to follow in your footsteps. Thanks for setting such a fine example for us upcoming officer/enlisted troops.

Skyward80

 

[qmaster3]

... Air Force wives...

It amazes me how easy those panties come off.