Maturity...

[sardaddy]

hindsight2020,

You did not tell the truth any more than f16fixer did by making some funny off the cuff comments.

The only difference was that f16fixer was making a joke that anyone in the military laughed at and moved on. You took some stuff that rarely happens and make it sound like it happens all the time.

I go TDY or TAD on a regular basis and neither me nor anyone I have been with has cheated on their wives and their wives haven't cheated on them.

Not everyone is an alcoholic. Those rare few that are get the treatment they need.

Army Brat syndrome - give me a break. Most "Army brats" are the most well adjusted, well behaved, worldly kids I have ever met.

"inability to decompress which is directly tied to domestic abuse,"

There is no more domestic violence in the military than there is in the civilian sector.

"then there is the deployment"

Yeah well you have seen what happens when we bring the wars to our shores. I'd rather deploy any day. We know we will do that when we sign the dotted lines. And no, airline pilots do not get a taste of that.

 

[hindsight2020]

hindsight2020,

You did not tell the truth any more than f16fixer did by making some funny off the cuff comments.

The only difference was that f16fixer was making a joke that anyone in the military laughed at and moved on. You took some stuff that rarely happens and make it sound like it happens all the time.

I go TDY or TAD on a regular basis and neither me nor anyone I have been with has cheated on their wives and their wives haven't cheated on them.

Not everyone is an alcoholic. Those rare few that are get the treatment they need.

Army Brat syndrome - give me a break. Most "Army brats" are the most well adjusted, well behaved, worldly kids I have ever met.

"inability to decompress which is directly tied to domestic abuse,"

There is no more domestic violence in the military than there is in the civilian sector.

"then there is the deployment"

Yeah well you have seen what happens when we bring the wars to our shores. I'd rather deploy any day. We know we will do that when we sign the dotted lines. And no, airline pilots do not get a taste of that.

Well there ya go, I rest my case......

(take notes boys and girls....)

 

[Weasel Keeper]

As kind of said before, the basic training or OCS is meant for civilians to mold them into a military state of mind. They'll make sure before you leave that you're a team player and a professional military member. You'll learn the exact same thing if you go Guard or Reserves that you'd learn going active duty.

The only thing I can think of that might give you a taste for a military lifestyle would be to go CAP or ROTC. Nothing else I can think of even comes close.

I spent 4 years AD and 4 years in the IN ANG and grew in maturity a great deal from the day I got off the plane in San Antonio to go to Basic Training. The instructors yell a lot but it's just to force you (and all) to understand quickly what needs to be learned in a short time.

The time I spent in the IN Air Guard was still hard work at times, but we had a lot more fun at the end of the duty days. Our aircraft still had sortie goals to meet but at the end of the day (usually Sundays) we'd have a big cookout and drink a few beers to unwind. The same went for our two week "summer camps". We'd be professional Air Force guys during the day every day, but we had plenty of squadron parties and cookouts after hours. It was much more laid back than AD AF...although we had plenty of fun times in AD too.

Good luck if you decide to go.

 

[F16fixer]

Listen urflyingme,
If I was to do it over again, the only thing I would do different would have been to go college first, then join the military. I had an awesome time being enlisted and you will have a good group of guys that become family almost. IF YOU WANT to fly though, which is what I'm assuming, you need to get your degree first. I don't think your goal was to spend all that money at a training acadamy, and then go work as a cop in the service. Yes there is a few ways to join with out having your 4 year degree. Most of them involve the Army dealing with helicopters. I'm sure you could talk to Sardaddy by the looks of his resume if your interested in that. I went to school with a lot of guys who fly for the MN ANG and they love it.

 

[urflyingme?!]

I'm definately going the 4 yr degree route. I have just heard tha some guys get in with an AA (I'm thinking enlisted guys here probably)

 

[qmaster3]

I'm definately going the 4 yr degree route. I have just heard tha some guys get in with an AA (I'm thinking enlisted guys here probably)

That's probably an enlisted commissioning program. The Coast Guard takes enlisted guys with 32/Semester hours, and navy you can apply with an associate’s degree. Or without one at a certain rank. Being an insider opens some doors, but being 19 apply for some officer programs that will let you go back to school, pay you to get study, drink beer, and get laid. Call an officer recruiter.

 

[freddriver20]

I went to AF OTS off the street as a civilian. It was no problem at all. The worst thing was trying to stay awake during those mass classes. PT wasn't even very tough. Plus, there were so many prior enlisted guys that they'll be able to answer any questions you may have and can teach you all the bed folding/boot polishing techniques and other quirks that you deal with in a training environment.

I'm pretty sure the Air Force OTS is the least "unpleasant"

At my reserve unit we all call each other by first name unless the guy/girl is O6 (obviously) or some kind of commander. Although a butter bar should really throw out the "sir/ma'am" until he hits O2...

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I'm pretty sure the Air Force OTS is the least "unpleasant"

Softest by far....maybe even warm and fuzzy. Although everyone has gone warm and fuzzy of late. Sure wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of a new recruit or officer canditate, especially the homos.

 

[freddriver20]

Most of the time the "new" candidates were being taught/led around by the "senior" class (people that had been there a whopping 4 weeks longer!) Talk about the blind leading the blind...

 

[qmaster3]

Softest by far....maybe even warm and fuzzy. Although everyone has gone warm and fuzzy of late. Sure wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of a new recruit or officer canditate, especially the homos.

or females.

 

[sardaddy]

The only way I know that someone can get into flight school without having a bachelor's degree is either by being prior enlisted or by going into the Army's Warrant officer flight program.


In that program you are not even required to have a degree. However, any schooling you have does help for the selection process.

You are guaranteed a slot in flight school before you leave, you go through basic training, Warrant officer candidate school and then enter flight training. It is a great program but the down side is you will not be getting paid as much as your commissioned officer counterparts.


Hindsight2020, I guess I missed your point because I never said that stuff didn't happen. No denial here. I know it happens. I just said none of that runs rampant through the military as you seem to think it does. What do you base this on anyway? Have you served in the military?

 

[Jafar]

Softest by far....maybe even warm and fuzzy. Although everyone has gone warm and fuzzy of late. Sure wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of a new recruit or officer canditate, especially the homos.

Yeah, it's pretty civilianized. I think the AF is the exact opposite service of the Marine Corps. The Navy and Army sit in between the two. When I was going through Air Force re-education as I call it I couldn't believe my ears. "Co-workers" WTF is that? "Supervisor"? Huh?

The other day this MSgt comes up to me. "Hey SSgt, you wanna give me a hand?" You know what we were doing? Emptying trash cans around the squadron. No $hit. In the Marines If I was ever following a Gunny around while wearing Sgt stripes myself and we were emptying garbage cans I would know without a doubt that hell had finally frozen over.

Just a different culture, that's all. I like it. All that hoorah tough guy crap was great when I was 17. Now, I'm digging this AF thing.

Ultimately every service is different and they all do their jobs well. Just different cultures. The Corps was more of an institution, the AF is more of a corporation. In wartime, they both kick @ss equally well.

 

[F16fixer]

Jafar,
Are you from Shaw AFB. I was in the 77 FS. Couldn't exactly tell if that was 20 FW plane.

Gamblers

 

[Jafar]

Nope, I just like the pic.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

In wartime, they both kick @ss equally well.

Ain't that the truth?!?!