Maturity...

[hindsight2020]

Hindsight2020, I guess I missed your point because I never said that stuff didn't happen. No denial here. I know it happens. I just said none of that runs rampant through the military as you seem to think it does. What do you base this on anyway? Have you served in the military?

No, you're in denial because of your position to underplay it. No I'm not in the military. Regarding that one let me use the sh3t analysis:

Let's say I'm about to step on the sh3t, and you're already sitting on it.....then if credibility is going to be assessed on whether I have to step on the sh3t to be entitled to argue that it is in fact sh3t, then you're in no more credible position than mine as your sitting on the sh3t puts you at quite a conflict of interest to argue that it is NOT sh3t, since who wants to admit they are sitting on sh3t?! (I can only imagine the myriad of interpretations that will result from this analogy LOL)

My knowledge comes by proxy, family members, friends who are serving, access to bases and the social dynamics that I've been exposed to from there. Pretty much how it's been described, not trying to make the case that civi's are functional by any means, just trying to highlight that the military denies it pretty strongly, you are a classic example of this denial, however it may be for different reasons. Sorry if we don't agree on a point of fact, we'll dance all night to this one then. At any rate that was my point in the last reply.

 

[HoursHore]

Hindsight2020,

Your an a$$

Sincerely,
HoursHore

P.S.

I've been in 10 years, the last 2 as a reservist. All the crap you are saying happens equally on both side of the fence. Neither the service or Civilian life has a monopoly, so quit trying to portray the service as a breeding ground of alcoholic wife-swapping non-adjusted maniacs.
Cause I resemble that remark.

By the way, F6fixer was making a joke that you took as an actual comment. Maybe thats one thing the service gives one, a sense of freakin' humor.

 

[qmaster3]

Hindsight2020,
so quit trying to portray the service as a breeding ground of alcoholic wife-swapping non-adjusted maniacs.

I take it you weren't Navy

 

[sardaddy]

This is one of those arguments I can't win.

If I tell you that you are right, you win. If I tell you that you are wrong you just say I am in denial. Good set up for you hindsight. Although people can see through your ploy pretty easily. I won't post anymore on this after this post as it it pointless but you did give me a good laugh.

"just trying to highlight that the military denies it pretty strongly, you are a classic example of this denial, however it may be for different reasons."

What different reasons would there be? Are you admitting that not all of us are propoganda machines trained to deny anything ever goes wrong in the military? We know it isn't utopia but we don't put up with dirtbags either.

I haven't denied anything. I agreed that the things you mentioned do happen. It just doesn't happen as often as you may think it does. You are basing your OPINIONS on hearsay, second hand reports, and perhaps even a brief glimpse of what a military base might hold. But you haven't any facts to back up your claims.


This is my favorite: "Sorry if we don't agree on a point of fact"

What fact? As I said before, you have posted none. You have posted some inflamatory remarks that, while they do exist they do not run rampant as you seem to think they do.

What do I base my opinion on? 17 years of service in two services, working with all of the services, holding rank in all three levels enlisted, warrant officer and commissioned officer and actually experiencing military life and many military bases. I have been privy to many blotter (MP) reports posted on different bases acting as the senior duty officer.

And the only and simple fact of all of this is again, that it happens but I have yet to be surrounded by a bunch of wife beating alcoholics with a thousand yard stare in my entire career.

So take your agenda, whatever it is, and cram it. I thought this was supposed to be a sight about aviation, military aviation in this particular thread. You have successfully taken away from that.

I won't be wasting any more of my time on this subject. The original question was how much maturity is needed to be in the military. While the writer of the original post seems to have enough, you hindsight, seem to be lacking even enough to make it in civilized society.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I take it you weren't Navy

...or met any of the Kadena Air Force wives...

 

[skyward80]

Hindsight:

Wow, dude! What an attitude! Somebody with almost zero experience in the civ world and totally no experience in the military world hurling all those insults around.

The people you're insulting are the same young guys/gals getting blown to pieces on a daily basis while little $h**s like you sit here and cast insults.

You're entitled to your opinion... everybody is. I'd just advise you to educate yourself a little more before you open your mouth or start typing on a keyboard. Not doing so simply makes it obvious that you're an ignorant little kid.

The fact is that the military displays a cross-section sampling of US citizens. There are those who drink too much and those who hit their wives. That's sad, and the service tries to help those people as much as possible. However, it's not a rampant problem, and it's not any more or less prevalent than you would see in the civilian world.

I hope I never have somebody like you sitting in my front office. That's about the only thing I can tell you. I'd never want to share a flight deck with somebody so blatantly ignorant and intolerant.

To all those fine military folks out there... I'm proud to have the opportunity to be able to follow in your footsteps. Thanks for setting such a fine example for us upcoming officer/enlisted troops.

Skyward80

 

[qmaster3]

... Air Force wives...

It amazes me how easy those panties come off.