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Emb's right. The captain has every right to override your decision. Some of us actually respect experience and don't feel insecure defering.
 
Axel said:
What the FO considers to be dictatorial and stupid may just be the CA's greater experience which the FO does not have the experience to recognize.

Or it may actually be dictatorial and stupid. He's the captain; suck it up, junior.
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Oh please. We're not going to crash or go around because I don't feel like having flaps out 20 miles out. God forbit something should happen to the CA, how in the world would I be able to fly the airplane without his guidance???? I would, I would declare an emergency and would ask for guidance from some CA on the ground a-la Hollywood movies because I have no idea when to put the flaps out so we don't crash. Give me a break, I'll go along with it because life is too short but some people just like to be backseat drivers, you could be spot on with your approach, they're always going to say something, you know who you are.
 
CX880 said:
Oh please. We're not going to crash or go around because I don't feel like having flaps out 20 miles out. God forbit something should happen to the CA, how in the world would I be able to fly the airplane without his guidance???? I would, I would declare an emergency and would ask for guidance from some CA on the ground a-la Hollywood movies because I have no idea when to put the flaps out so we don't crash. Give me a break, I'll go along with it because life is too short but some people just like to be backseat drivers, you could be spot on with your approach, they're always going to say something, you know who you are.
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Lets just make this nice and simple for everyone. Configure the airplane like you're supposed to according to the FAA approved and company published profiles. When a captain puts his hand on the lever it's generally because you're not following procedure. Therefore...he/she no longer has any idea what you are doing. I couldn't care less if your feelings get hurt. It's better than sitting in the left seat trying to guess what the heck the other guy/gal is doing with your ticket on the line.
 
asayankee said:
Lets just make this nice and simple for everyone. Configure the airplane like you're supposed to according to the FAA approved and company published profiles. When a captain puts his hand on the lever it's generally because you're not following procedure. Therefore...he/she no longer has any idea what you are doing. I couldn't care less if your feelings get hurt. It's better than sitting in the left seat trying to guess what the heck the other guy/gal is doing with your ticket on the line.
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Fair enough.
 
CX880 said:
Oh please. We're not going to crash or go around because I don't feel like having flaps out 20 miles out. God forbit something should happen to the CA, how in the world would I be able to fly the airplane without his guidance???? I would, I would declare an emergency and would ask for guidance from some CA on the ground a-la Hollywood movies because I have no idea when to put the flaps out so we don't crash. Give me a break, I'll go along with it because life is too short but some people just like to be backseat drivers, you could be spot on with your approach, they're always going to say something, you know who you are.
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greater experience which the FO does not have the experience to recognize.
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Case.

In.

Point.

You'll understand someday, Junior.
 
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If you were born with a Penis and Testicles between your legs, or even if the Testicles are missing, please act as such on the job. It's bad enough that some male FAs are more feminine than the female FAs. NO ONE should have to tolerate it behind a bullet proof door in an enclosed room.

I don't care what your beliefs are or what your orientation is. Don't display it to me, don't tell me about it or him, and when the "crap" starts to hit the fan in flight, surely don't bring it out more and make me want to hit you more than I want to land this POS aircraft. I have friends that are gay, and it doesn't bother me a bit. I listen to their issues about their boyfriends, etc., and actually listen, for they are my friends. None of them are as feminine as some of the wussies I've flown with recently.
 
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Amish RakeFight said:
Some of us actually respect experience and don't feel insecure defering.
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But it's a lack of experience being expressed by a captain's hand on the flap lever.

If it's merely a matter of flap technique, an experienced captain would defer to the flying pilot, and not micro-manage.

If it's a matter of safety, the captain would be direct and speak up, not just hope the F.O. notices his "hint."

Hand on the flap lever is kind of a milquetoasty captain thing.
 
Papa Woody said:
But it's a lack of experience being expressed by a captain's hand on the flap lever.

If it's merely a matter of flap technique, an experienced captain would defer to the flying pilot, and not micro-manage.

If it's a matter of safety, the captain would be direct and speak up, not just hope the F.O. notices his "hint."

Hand on the flap lever is kind of a milquetoasty captain thing.
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Exactly. Well stated.
 
Thou shalt not charge incidentals expenses to another crewmembers room without expecting an a$$kicking.

Thous shalt declare mini-bar usage when checking out or otherwise prepare for the wrath of the rest of the crew.
 
To which I would say, "my aircraft, flaps 1". Problem solved.






Club ORD FO said:
Why does the FO "need" flaps? Are you about to stall? If I am 1 knot fast to you put your hand on the thrust levers as a non-verbal cue? Put your hand on the flaps all you want, I'll just stare out the window and pretend not to notice. If you say "how about some flaps" I'll just say "no thanks."
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The new procedure will be that the NFP wil keep their hands on both the flap handle and gear handle the entire flight. EMBPIC, the name sums it all up. I bet you were very popular with pro-standards then and now. We will now rename everyone on this site as FO & PIC just to make sure that we have a hierarchy established.
 
Buckeye said:
The new procedure will be that the NFP wil keep their hands on both the flap handle and gear handle the entire flight. EMBPIC, the name sums it all up. I bet you were very popular with pro-standards then and now. We will now rename everyone on this site as FO & PIC just to make sure that we have a hierarchy established.
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Ok this is starting to get stupid. If you haven't figured it out yet, the captain sets the tone in the cockpit. If he/she wants to use the 'hand on the flap handle' as an indication that they want flaps then so be it. The funny thing is that I have hardly ever had to do this. Most guys I fly with do a great job. I used to fly with a captain that did this all the time. Sure it used to bug me but I sure as hell didn't say 'No thanks'. I asked for flaps to make him happy. I sure as hell didn't dwell on it.
 

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