Making fun of ERAU guys is fun!!!!!

[gkrangers]

$7000 to solo?????

Two words for this place
RIP OFF

My freshman roomate was up to 12,000 before his first solo. I don't know if he just sucked (well, he was gay) or what...

 

[unreal]

Isn't it cute they call their instructors IPs.


SALUTE YOUR IP!

Why's that funny? I don't really see a difference between calling someone a "flight instructor" and an "instructor pilot." Why's the second one laughable to you?

And to gkrangers: I've known people who've spent $12,000 and haven't EVEN soloed. I think you're forgetting that correlation doesn't exactly imply causation. Your line of thinking:

-Roommate was an ERAU flight student
-Roommate spent $12,000 to solo
-That must mean that ERAU caused him to spend $12,000 before soloing.

That's not exactly fair. I soloed in minimum TCO hours at ERAU and didn't spend anywhere even remotely close to $12,000. I think your roommate was just a weakstick.

Oh, and I'm no ERAU fanboy. I'm a North-Aire trained CFI/CFII/MEI and gained a lot of great experience from them. I'm simply trying to defend against a rationale that isn't exactly fair to anyone.

 

[sargeanb]

Let me backpedal a bit here. The FA 132 course takes students halfway through private, including solo, but includes several more flights and an XC at the end. Private in total (FA132/133s) costs around 12G, which is still admitedly pretty high. But, students aren't here to get their PVT, they're here to get a degree and all of their ratings. We straight up tell people who are curious, if you just want one rating, ESPECIALLY private, go to the FBOs.

 

[VNugget]

Why's that funny? I don't really see a difference between calling someone a "flight instructor" and an "instructor pilot." Why's the second one laughable to you?

That's what the military calls them.

 

[Rip Vanwinkle]

I think your roommate was just a weakstick.

I don't care where you went to school; if you think that there are any special awesome nerves-of-steel skills involved in flying a 152, you're a Riddle Ace to me.

My job is to operate a transportation appliance. It's going to be your job too, Maverick. You'd have better luck getting girls and hot cars by trying to impress people with your 29th level druid/paladin/gnome. Which, I'm sure you're aware, is not a lot.

Have you considered the TSA? You get a shiney badge and I hear it's a short course.

 

[unreal]

I don't care where you went to school; if you think that there are any special awesome nerves-of-steel skills involved in flying a 152, you're a Riddle Ace to me.

My job is to operate a transportation appliance. It's going to be your job too, Maverick. You'd have better luck getting girls and hot cars by trying to impress people with your 29th level druid/paladin/gnome. Which, I'm sure you're aware, is not a lot.

Have you considered the TSA? You get a shiney badge and I hear it's a short course.

What are you talking about? You took one sentence of mine and expanded it into three paragraphs. Sorry, someone who takes $12,000 probably has some serious holes in their flying. The rest of the words you just put into my mouth are simply ridiculous.

Step back, look objectively at what you wrote, and you'll agree.

 

[Metro752]

Why's that funny? I don't really see a difference between calling someone a "flight instructor" and an "instructor pilot." Why's the second one laughable to you?

One is civillian and one is military. Do you call the gym teacher in high school drill sergeant? No, unless of course he was, then maybe.

That's not exactly fair. I soloed in minimum TCO hours at ERAU and didn't spend anywhere even remotely close to $12,000. I think your roommate was just a weakstick.

Weakstick huh? You going barnstorming later?

 

[jaxpilot]

Eh there is plenty of tools at Riddle and any other aviation university. Im probably going to their extended campus to finish my Bachelors so im not gonna bash it. They give me 36 credits for my ratings and its a better name than Utah Valley State so Ill take it. I was thinkin about getting a non aviation degree at a cheap state college but that would make me barely a sophhomore in whatever major I choose and I want to check the box quickly.

 

[sargeanb]

One is civillian and one is military. Do you call the gym teacher in high school drill sergeant? No, unless of course he was, then maybe.



Weakstick huh? You going barnstorming later?

Riddle's always had a link to the military, even though now we're all civilian training. I guess the "IP" thing never changed. Alot of the profs and admin are ex Air Force/Navy. Also, the university is going back to its military roots a little bit:

http://www.erau.edu/er/newsmedia/newsreleases/2002/airforce.html

 

[Metro752]

Yes I know Embry Riddle started out military, and I know that Riddle has that contract with the USAFA. Shoot I was still in H.S. thinking about going to the USAFA when I first read about the Riddle planes.

 

[unreal]

One is civillian and one is military. Do you call the gym teacher in high school drill sergeant? No, unless of course he was, then maybe.

Didn't know it was a military term. IP never sounded out of place to me I suppose. I'm glad I have people like you to help me out.

 

[Metro752]

Didn't know it was a military term. IP never sounded out of place to me I suppose. I'm glad I have people like you to help me out.

Hey man no problem at all.

 

[TankerDriver]

One is civillian and one is military. Do you call the gym teacher in high school drill sergeant? No, unless of course he was, then maybe.



Weakstick huh? You going barnstorming later?

Give me a break. Is "IP" solely a reserved acronym for military instructor pilots only? Something to make some of our craniums bigger than they already are? Whether this designation came from the fact that most of the higher ups at Riddle are former military or not, doesn't matter. Flight instructor, instructor pilot? Who gives a $hit? If it makes someone feel that much more important to be called an instructor pilot vs a flight instructor, they need to get a life. They both instruct in aircraft.

 

[mauipilot]

$100,000 If you get through all the ratings near minimums. These numbers are a year or 2 old.

 

[TankerDriver]

$100,000 If you get through all the ratings near minimums. These numbers are a year or 2 old.

It does not cost $100,000 for ratings at ERAU. What are you smoking? For the degree, yes, but for the flight training alone, I don't think so.

 

[Metro752]

lol wuch skool did u go 2 tankR dribbler

 

[TankerDriver]

I don't care where you went to school; if you think that there are any special awesome nerves-of-steel skills involved in flying a 152, you're a Riddle Ace to me.

If you've never encountered a person who "just didn't have it" and couldn't fly an airplane to save their lives, you haven't been a CFI for very long (if you are one). 152, 172, PA28, whatever. I've sat right seat with a few that couldn't even taxi. I spent an extra 30 minutes one day with one just taxiing around an uncontrolled field because he had near 20 hours and still couldn't keep the plane straight on the taxi way. His flying was even worse. Needless to say, after a few flights with my supervisor, I put him up for his phase check, knowing he was going to bust it, and sure enough, he did. Then he busted a second one and was kicked out of the course. So, when I see someone spending $12k just to solo, I also call "weak stick" or some other abnormalities in training to account for the high cost. Not Riddle's high prices. They're high, but not that rediculous.

 

[Metro752]

If you've never encountered a person who "just didn't have it" and couldn't fly an airplane to save their lives, you haven't been a CFI for very long (if you are one). 152, 172, PA28, whatever. I've sat right seat with a few that couldn't even taxi. I spent an extra 30 minutes one day with one just taxiing around an uncontrolled field because he had near 20 hours and still couldn't keep the plane straight on the taxi way. His flying was even worse. Needless to say, after a few flights with my supervisor, I put him up for his phase check, knowing he was going to bust it, and sure enough, he did. Then he busted a second one and was kicked out of the course. So, when I see someone spending $12k just to solo, I also call "weak stick" or some other abnormalities in training to account for the high cost. Not Riddle's high prices. They're high, but not that rediculous.

I would have to say if an instructor cannot teach a student how to TAXI an airplane, the blame falls on the instructor.

Slow the airplane down. There is no reason why anyone who can drive a car or basically bathe themselves cannot taxi a 152/172. Especially after 20 hours. Great instructors they have there at ERAU!

Remember, SALUTE YOUR IP!

.........It's going to be your job too, Maverick. You'd have better luck getting girls and hot cars by trying to impress people with your 29th level druid/paladin/gnome. Which, I'm sure you're aware, is not a lot.

Have you considered the TSA? You get a shiney badge and I hear it's a short course.

Sorry, lvl 60 Paladin is the place to be.

 

[IP076]

Give me a break. Is "IP" solely a reserved acronym for military instructor pilots only? Something to make some of our craniums bigger than they already are? Whether this designation came from the fact that most of the higher ups at Riddle are former military or not, doesn't matter. Flight instructor, instructor pilot? Who gives a $hit? If it makes someone feel that much more important to be called an instructor pilot vs a flight instructor, they need to get a life. They both instruct in aircraft.

Absolutely correct! Who gives a bowel movement! It's generaly used in the military, but not only used there. Most of the people that developed the programs were x-military, so I guess it stuck! Point is...why does this argument get 3 pages? Just one more thread to ignore....

 

[sperfly]

That was 5 minutes and 41 seconds of my life that I can never get back. Very gay, and I am angry with myself that I watched the entire thing. I guess it was kind of like a train wreck you hate to see it but you can't bare to look away. Pure gayness just pure gayness.