Majors wont be hurting/Regional on the other hand!

[pilotyip]

Let us also not forget that the new flight and duty rules will probably make the regional lifestyle suck even more than it does now, thus reducing the incentive to work at one.

I'm thinking 10-11 days off for a lot of pilots. If you are a commuter, this is a non-starter. Unless you are single.

We need to remove the age restrictions on the F/O's let the retiring guys at age 65 guys who still want to work for whatever reason sit in the right seat. Unable to bid Captain, it would mean faster upgrade for the new hires. It would bring a wealth of experience into the regional level. I am going to be very comfortable in retirement, to be able to pick up a couple weeks of flying out of DTW would be great. It make it part time, save the company on benefits. Why not tap this source of cheap experience?

 

[CX880]

If you're already falling asleep 30 seconds after takeoff it's time to retire.

 

[wms]

We need to remove the age restrictions on the F/O's let the retiring guys at age 65 guys who still want to work for whatever reason sit in the right seat. Unable to bid Captain, it would mean faster upgrade for the new hires. It would bring a wealth of experience into the regional level. I am going to be very comfortable in retirement, to be able to pick up a couple weeks of flying out of DTW would be great. It make it part time, save the company on benefits. Why not tap this source of cheap experience?

+1. I always felt the 60+ pilots should've been in the right seat similar to the days when they could only be FEs.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Not sure about anyone else, but Delta seems to be having most guys throw in the towel around 62 to 63. They could stay as captain and don't, what makes you think they will sit right seat in an RJ for less than their retirement pays a year?

 

[JustaNumber]

We need to remove the age restrictions on the F/O's let the retiring guys at age 65 guys who still want to work for whatever reason sit in the right seat. Unable to bid Captain, it would mean faster upgrade for the new hires. It would bring a wealth of experience into the regional level. I am going to be very comfortable in retirement, to be able to pick up a couple weeks of flying out of DTW would be great. It make it part time, save the company on benefits. Why not tap this source of cheap experience?

I know it's all relative, but there already is a wealth of experience at the regional level. At our airline, it seems the average captain has 10-15 years in an RJ, the average F/O has maybe about 5 in an RJ (unscientific observation).

At any rate, it appears that management's goal is to have as little experience here as is feasibly possibly. And with airline managements against any rules change proposal, it will never happen.

 

[pilotyip]

Not sure about anyone else, but Delta seems to be having most guys throw in the towel around 62 to 63. They could stay as captain and don't, what makes you think they will sit right seat in an RJ for less than their retirement pays a year?

Yea but if you like flying airplanes it would be a neat thing to do, a good friend of mine retired at 62 from DAL as a 74 CA, say it was not smart move, he really misses flying. He, like me, might jump on something like this.

 

[chqflyer]

I know it's all relative, but there already is a wealth of experience at the regional level. At our airline, it seems the average captain has 10-15 years in an RJ, the average F/O has maybe about 5 in an RJ (unscientific observation).

At any rate, it appears that management's goal is to have as little experience here as is feasibly possibly. And with airline managements against any rules change proposal, it will never happen.

The experience level of RJ pilots is not really comparable to that of someone with extensive experience in mainline jets. RJs are designed to be operated by the lowest common denominator pilot.

 

[wms]

There's a difference between 2 legs a day in a relatively low stress environment, three times a month not flying internationally or 6 legs a day 18 days a month in the NE corridor in airplanes with relatively no automaton. Five to ten years of one gets and keeps you proficient. The other two find you getting rusty.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

The experience level of RJ pilots is not really comparable to that of someone with extensive experience in mainline jets. RJs are designed to be operated by the lowest common denominator pilot.

I'm calling you out again. Attitudes like yours are making it impossible to get paid. 20 years in airplanes and 12k hours, with over 10k sectors; I know what I'm worth. Unfortunately, our peers don't feel the same about themselves. You should try some self esteem sometime. Vote No and let the chips fall.

 

[chqflyer]

RJs are just as automated, if not more than most mainline jets. I'd definitely agree that the stick and rudder skills of someone slogging it out in the northeast in a busted up dash 8 or beech 1900 would be top notch.

 

[chqflyer]

I'm calling you out again. Attitudes like yours are making it impossible to get paid. 20 years in airplanes and 12k hours, with over 10k sectors; I know what I'm worth. Unfortunately, our peers don't feel the same about themselves. You should try some self esteem sometime. Vote No and let the chips fall.

My self esteem is just fine. I have already decided long ago that I'm going to vote no on any POS TA laid out before me. I don't even give a ******************** anymore.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Plenty here who flew prop 'trash' for years. The RJ is regularly screwed up from lack of experience and academic misunderstandings. 98.5% of the guys and gals I fly with can't figure out basic concepts like how speed/alt/Mach relate to each other. If we were buying our own fuel, there wouldn't be any money with the energy mismanagement I witness. Without VNAV and autothrottle, I doubt that mainline guys would know/remember either. Get in the books, vote no.

 

[wms]

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[wms]

RJs are just as automated, if not more than most mainline jets. I'd definitely agree that the stick and rudder skills of someone slogging it out in the northeast in a busted up dash 8 or beech 1900 would be top notch.

VNAV, auto-throttles, etc, on an Optimized descent arrival? ERJs have even less than the CRJ.

 

[chqflyer]

I'm not knocking TP pilots at all. I'm just saying that the lack of basic knowledge and experience of many RJ pilots is appalling. I just don't believe that someone with 300 hours placed into the right seat of a jet and then moved to the left seat when their number comes up is a very good system. I don't give a ******************** that that's how they do it in Europe or Asia. Look at the three idiots in SFO that slammed a perfectly good 777 into a sea wall on a CAVU day because they forgot to add thrust.