Yes, I mis-spoke. Sorry, I thought that Frontier was ALPA. Regardless of that fact, it is too bad that they weren't able to stop Lnyx aka GO-JETS II (in my opinion). The analogy comparing Frontier/Lynx to Alaska Air Group (Alaska/Horizon). The earlier post from our former Marine was not only out of line in his personal insult (dork, jacka**), but also showed the typical ignorance of a pilot with a narrow and short-sighted view of airline history.
Regards,
ex-Navy Rotorhead
Where am I ignorant in the history of airlines? I know that one of the last "major" U.S. airlines to take delivery of a new turboprop was Western somewhere in the 60's or 70's, and it was a Lockheed Electra, you know a P-3 in squid speak.
Since CJC is taking delivery of Q400's and, in your logic, is therefore taking jobs from a weak CAL union that "lost" a bitter fight to fly them. Do everyone a favor and go ahead and deny yourself the jumpseat next time. . . GoJet III scab pilot.
Was it the pot who called the kettle black?
I dare you to find a mainline pilot group that wants to have turboprops on their property. Once again, try and find an AA flowback in the cockpit of an AE SAAB, or ATR. When AA, AE and management were negotiating the flow-through, APA was too proud a race to even stomach the thought of a furloughed mainline pilot forced to be at the controls of a turboprop. Let alone operate them at mainline.
The flowback deal is a fact, Western Airlines and the Electra, happened, they were one of the very last majors to take delivery of a turboprop.
So, where am I in error with my airline history?
Frontier pilots did/do not have much interest in flying the Q400, regardless of what you like to think they think. If they think, the way I think they should, they should be bitter at the Republic E-170 flying. But, that is only what I think they should be thinking, then again marines have been accused of many things, and thinking is NOT one of them
I beg you to draw direct parallels b/n Lynx and GoJets. Who is the TSA equivalent? Is GoJets a wholly owned subsidiary of United Airlines? Oh, and be careful about the union status, remember CJC doesn't have one either, though GoJets now has one. Be careful about the pay too, $50/hr in DEN is the equivalent to ~$64/hr for someone who lives in/near EWR. What was CJC's rate? oh yeah, $53/hr. Should it be higher? Of course, we should all be getting paid better. Since there is no TSA, and Frontier pilots do not want the Q400, who are they "stealing" jobs and upgrades from? Oh, Lynx gets block or better too, they didn't even negotiate for that... freebie from management. Most other regionals took decades to get that written into their contract along with their current pay.
How is Lynx different from other regional carriers who fly smaller equipment for less pay? Remember that Lynx was created under the full knowledge and agreement of FAPA.
You insinuate that unions need to have more spine and fortitude, what about your union?
