LXJET 70+ seat rates out

[rjacobs]

Dental is $24.22 per month for family.

jesus your dental is CHEAP. Is it even any good? I pay more than that for my individual plan. Ours is Metlife and my dentist says metlife is one of the best ones. The other plan we have is Cigna and it sucks. Its $73 a month for a family.

 

[Plainsman]

We were sold PBS because of that vacation low deal. I enjoy it. I don't like PBS though. Some like others don't.

 

[drinksonme]

Just out curiosity. Do LASA folks think they will keep their current form of PBS in the JCBA? If they do, I have some oceanfront....u know the rest. Management will NEVER keep it as is. This is a chance for them to fix the errors they made last time around. So as far as I see it, this supposed line in the sh!t is based on a perspective of current rules. Either way both systems will be set up in the companies favor, therefore I hold my current cards on non PBS system. We are fighting over egos not solutions. Sad state of affairs with idiots at the helm. Best advise.....leave ASAP

 

[McNugent]

Just out curiosity. Do LASA folks think they will keep their current form of PBS in the JCBA? If they do, I have some oceanfront....u know the rest. Management will NEVER keep it as is. This is a chance for them to fix the errors they made last time around. So as far as I see it, this supposed line in the sh!t is based on a perspective of current rules. Either way both systems will be set up in the companies favor, therefore I hold my current cards on non PBS system. We are fighting over egos not solutions. Sad state of affairs with idiots at the helm. Best advise.....leave ASAP

I wish there was a "Like" button on here.

 

[Nevets]

Re: Nevets post.

Please do the math and show me how what LXJET has been awarded will increase my pay.

I am on year 15 at $98.68 per hr.
LXJET equivalent is $93.10 I understand.
After adding on 5.5% for your B fund that brings me to $98.22 still below current rate.

And the 401k is about the same, match is 75% of the first 8%. You just use a slightly different formula.

Where does the remainder come from? I need a lot better than that if I ever have to accept a POS globalized PBS !

Would like to learn more about this.

Thanks.



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Rjacob did the math for me. But I don't think I ever said that your pay would go up. In fact, I said that the best we could've hoped for in arbitration is industry average. Im actually surprised that the numbers worked out to $98.68 versus $98.22. I thought your compensation would be a lot higher than industry average. Also, as rjcobs said, the insurance premium cap was taken into consideration. Our cap is 25% and yours is 30%. That will also make a small difference when looking at total compensation.

PS. One other very small point to keep in mind, you are required to fund your 401k by 8% to get the 6% match whereas we only need to fund 6% to get the 6% match. In other words, your actual take home pay is 2% less than ours for the same matching funds deposited. Or we could choose to put 6% into the 401k to get the 6% match and then fund our Roth 401k with 2%.

Excellent post, which provides some useful information.
My family PPO is $189 each paycheck, so that's $378 monthly. I don't know what LXJET has.

We need some free and open dialogue like this perhaps by informational packets to each side or road shows. The MECs are not really moving the sides any closer.

Thanks for the info, but I am still concerned about losing what for us is a PBS that we all like and works well. I have never come across unstacking by the way.


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If you pay $378 per month for health insurance then the company is paying $882 per month on your behalf as part of your total compensation. If we had that exact same plan at LXJT, we would pay $315 and the company would pay $945 per month on our behalf as part of our total compensation. That works out to $756 a year less that we would pay out of our pocket.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaa

And I also walk farther than you from the bus to my crew lounge, thereby burning more calories....

So I have to spend more money on food................. probably $365 more than LXJT pilots have to spend every year.

Sooooo....arbitration good....ASA pilots bad

 

[Nevets]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaa

And I also walk farther than you from the bus to my crew lounge, thereby burning more calories....

So I have to spend more money on food................. probably $365 more than LXJT pilots have to spend every year.

Sooooo....arbitration good....ASA pilots bad

Hadn't thought of that. We get $1.80/hr perdiem. And what do you guys get? $1.65? Probably works out to $365 a year.

And just to make the point AGAIN, I never said the arbitration award was good. Just that I'm ok with it but wished the rate was higher although I'm not surprised considering the best we could hope for was industry average.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

What a ********************hole.

 

[goahead]

Just that I'm ok with it but wished the rate was higher although I'm not surprised considering the best we could hope for was industry average.

I thought you guys wanted 20% pay raises and no PBS

 

[Nevets]

I thought you guys wanted 20% pay raises and no PBS

I guess the arbitrator had industry average in mind when he awarded us the $2 increase on our 50 seat rate. And for the record, I've never said 20% raises or no PBS.

 

[Nevets]

Dental is $24.22 per month for family.

Again, with our premium cap at 25% and yours at 30%, if we had your same exact dental plan, we would pay $20.28 per month. That's a difference of $45.96 less a year that we would pay in premiums.

One other thing to keep in mind, at your seniority, the LXJT pilot has enjoyed four weeks of vacation for five years earlier than you. In the aggregate, that's five more weeks of vacation for the LXJT pilot at your seniority than the LASA pilot. Not to mention the higher sick accrual rate as well.

All these things make a difference in the cost to company.

 

[SoberIrishman]

I guess that's all you can expect then in the current industry. If you get some larger aircraft, that will be nice. $2 more and be done with the Brasilia.
Wishing you all the best with this JCBA.

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[BigPappa]

All that talk of 20% raise, now look what they got. What a joke!

 

[COOPERVANE]

All that talk of 20% raise, now look what they got. What a joke!

And now they're crowing that it's all ASA pilots' fault.

"They made us do it"

 

[Nevets]

All that talk of 20% raise, now look what they got. What a joke!

These are new rates for larger aircraft in our existing contract. Nothing says that there won't be any raises IF we ever get a joint contract.

And now they're crowing that it's all ASA pilots' fault.

"They made us do it"

Well, it is true that if your MEC (not the pilots) wouldn't have had placed ultimatums, then there wouldn't have been an arbitrator to impose this. No crowing, just facts.