LUV Will Grow Little Or None In 2009

[Whataburger]

A contingent of Southwest pilots was the ones that got the ball rolling on Age 65 over a decade ago and kept the issue alive all these years. It wasn’t until the bankruptcies post 911 that the legacy pilots starting selling out the junior guys and jumped on the Age 65 bandwagon.

Now the timing couldn’t be worse. The Age 65 legislation will needlessly destroy the careers of many, many junior folks as the industry massively downsizes over the next few years both in furloughs and reduced career earnings.

Instead of fixing their pension problems, retiree medical or worthless stock options themselves via their own contract; Southwest pilots have left a path of destruction in their wake. Now their junior pilots will start paying a price like the rest of us.

Again, great job Southwest.

AA767AV8TOR

I will pass on a lesson I learned at 22 years old when I started in the airline business. A wise old man once told me, "Only one thing is guaranteed in the airline business - nothing."

This bit of advice might promote some responsibility and accountability in your career choices, and it could reduce the amount you blame everyone else for your personal troubles.

By the way, if you don't like your stagnation and QOL at AA, we are taking applications.

 

[iflyhigh]

Age 65 may have been started at one carrier, but in the end alot of senior pilots at all carriers wanted it.

At my airline alot of guys I have talk to in the past that were close to 60 were so hoping for the rule to change.

Look even pilots at carriers with a pension still, IE FEDEX, UPS, are not retiring. In the end, its all about me and you get your later attitude.

So in the end, so sense blaming one airline, all are guilty.

 

[Headfake14]

Why is SWA to blame.

Fellas, they are the only ones who haven't taken a pay cut which will help the rest of our rates return to what they should be eventually.

 

[canyonblue]

Southwest pilots have left a path of destruction in their wake.

And just what have you done lately? Go find a dog to slap, you need some serious help.

 

[canyonblue]

:smash:

Spin worthy of the Clinton adminstartion,

adminstartion? What are ya, frickin' drunk? Those "clods" were going nowhere until ALPA gave them credibility. Have another beer, whackjob. uke:

 

[JoeMerchant]

A contingent of Southwest pilots was the ones that got the ball rolling on Age 65 over a decade ago and kept the issue alive all these years. It wasn’t until the bankruptcies post 911 that the legacy pilots starting selling out the junior guys and jumped on the Age 65 bandwagon.

Now the timing couldn’t be worse. The Age 65 legislation will needlessly destroy the careers of many, many junior folks as the industry massively downsizes over the next few years both in furloughs and reduced career earnings.

Instead of fixing their pension problems, retiree medical or worthless stock options themselves via their own contract; Southwest pilots have left a path of destruction in their wake. Now their junior pilots will start paying a price like the rest of us.

Again, great job Southwest.

AA767AV8TOR

Simple question AA767....Are you financially prepared to retire at age 60?

 

[Tejas-Jet]

:smash:

Spin worthy of the Clinton adminstartion, but Age 65 garbage all started with clods from LUV that had neither a life nor retirement to get them away from 6 leg days. ALPA joining certainly hurt (bite me JP!), but the early shots came right from your house. What union was it that was the PRO 65 when everyone else was firmly against? What company did the president of APAAD work for again?

The change to age 65 started with just one guy...and it grew from there.

Likewise, the age change back to age 60 will eventually start with one guy....

...Are you that guy? ...or are you just a whiner?

 

[AA767AV8TOR]

The change to age 65 started with just one guy...and it grew from there.

Likewise, the age change back to age 60 will eventually start with one guy....

...Are you that guy? ...or are you just a whiner?

Yes, the process starts with one guy or one group. But given LUV’s position in the industry since 911, what exactly have your pilots done to better the profession this past decade? And don’t tell me the pay rates since you all rode in on the coattails of UAL and Delta and just haven’t had to endure the paycuts like the rest of us.

Like I said, has SWAPA done anything to capitalize on their industry standing?? Have they improved your pay rates, retiree medical, increased pension benefits, or done anything about your worthless stock options?

No, they’re having love fests with Herb while getting played like a tune and giving the rest of us Age 65.

Ultimately, Age 65 will prove disastrous to many junior crewmembers over the next few years as the industry shrinks in a major way. This started with your group. We at APA saw it for what it was (a transfer of wealth from junior to senior). We tried to stop the train-wreck but unfortunately didn’t have the political muscle.

AA767AV8TOR

 

[Herkdrv]

And just what have you done lately? Go find a dog to slap, you need some serious help.

Spare the dog. He should jumpseat on DL to Kiev and bring back on of these. http://www.hotrussianbrides.com/hot-russian-brides/profile-189488.aspx

If you have to come home to this everyday I would imagine the anger issues would go away

 

[scoreboardII]

Yes, the process starts with one guy or one group. But given LUV’s position in the industry since 911, what exactly have your pilots done to better the profession this past decade?

Remained profitable, provided a secure job to it's employees, remains a fun place to work, unlike AA apparently...

And don’t tell me the pay rates since you all rode in on the coattails of UAL and Delta and just haven’t had to endure the paycuts like the rest of us.

I didn't, I won't. But since you brought it up, why didn't YOUR employeee group stick to it's guns and demand higher pay? Thats what I thought...

Like I said, has SWAPA done anything to capitalize on their industry standing?? Have they improved your pay rates, retiree medical, increased pension benefits, or done anything about your worthless stock options?

In discussion now, and I bet we get a better deal than you will ever see in your lifetime.

No, they’re having love fests with Herb while getting played like a tune and giving the rest of us Age 65.

Whats wrong with celebrating success? Oh, thats right, there is none over at old AA... We didn't give you age 65, ICAO did, why not try to come to the discussion armed with facts?

Ultimately, Age 65 will prove disastrous to many junior crewmembers over the next few years as the industry shrinks in a major way.

Agreed, but your anger is directed to the wrong group, WE didn't bring age 65, ICAO did that.

This started with your group.

Once again... wrong.

We at APA saw it for what it was (a transfer of wealth from junior to senior). We tried to stop the train-wreck but unfortunately didn’t have the political muscle.

You apparently have no muscle.

AA767AV8TOR

But thanks for trying...

 

[StopNTSing]

Ultimately, Age 65 will prove disastrous to many junior crewmembers over the next few years as the industry shrinks in a major way. This started with your group. We at APA saw it for what it was (a transfer of wealth from junior to senior). We tried to stop the train-wreck but unfortunately didn’t have the political muscle.

AA767AV8TOR

Oh, get off your high horse already! As an FO, I'm sure you were opposed to it from the get-go....big surprise (FWIW, as a junior captain over here at SWA, I wasn't real keen on it either...I'll be a commuter for many more years now). But hey, if APA has as much anti-age 60 solidarity as you claim, then I'm sure you guys can push through a mandatory age 60 retirement side letter for your contrAAct. Why not focus your efforts on that instead of whining on an airline message board about how the world owes you an upgrade?

 

[GuppyWN]

That's what I was thinking. Nothing says your contract has to allow you to fly until 65 - that is unless you greedy bastards want to stay until 65.

I voted against spending a dime on the effort so don't point your fingers this way.

Gup

 

[jhill]

>>>>Southwest Airlines will grow little or none in 2009, CEO says <<<

He's playing a game of poker, putting the legacies to sleep so the Legacies won't worry so much about leaving markets and SWA taking them, then he'll surprise them.

No, He's playing poker with the pilots. Wants to trade wages freezes for growth.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Ultimately, Age 65 will prove disastrous to many junior crewmembers over the next few years as the industry shrinks in a major way. This started with your group. We at APA saw it for what it was (a transfer of wealth from junior to senior). We tried to stop the train-wreck but unfortunately didn’t have the political muscle.

AA767AV8TOR

AA767,

I have some more questions for you....The first one you ignored the first time I asked it...

1. Are you financially ready to retire at age 60?

2. If APA is opposed to this, why don't you just negotiate a mandatory age 60 retirement in your contract....Then you will get what you want....

3. Wasn't it the APA group that first negotiated the B scale?

I doubt you will answer these questions as you seem to ignore the tough questions that are thrown your way and prefer to lob anonymous attacks at others...

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Get it right, Bunghole. All we ever do is 7 or 8 legs days with overnights in Lubbock.

:smash:

Spin worthy of the Clinton adminstartion, but Age 65 garbage all started with clods from LUV that had neither a life nor retirement to get them away from 6 leg days. ALPA joining certainly hurt (bite me JP!), but the early shots came right from your house. What union was it that was the PRO 65 when everyone else was firmly against? What company did the president of APAAD work for again?