LRvsH25B
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There is a great thread on this same subject going on, and it's almost 150+ posts. I wanted to step away from that and look at this accident from another angle.
Since there is so much interest in it, I was hoping we could all put our heads together and say what's on our mind without insults or a lack of professionalism. I'd like to discuss in detail what info we know for a fact at this point, and as more comes out, we can bring that into the mix. Only confirmed data please. Before I start, it's understood that nobody is Monday morning QBing this crew and let all concede that anyone who reads/posts to this topic has the crew/families in their thoughts and prayers. So we can skip all the polite banter and get right down t the meat and potatos of it.
The crew talking on the radio:
I can't seem to get a clear answer on if the crew did or did not tell ATC they had a blown tire and they're aborting. I can't imagine that happened. They clearly had their hands full, so how/why would they get on the radio at that point? It's something I do not think I would do, but if they thought the plane was under control, then I could see that happeneing. Anybody have an answer on that?
Click Here and select tour of the Runway for a decent view of the runway
Sparks:
I think it is safe to say at this point the crew suffered a blown tire about 1/3 way (80 Knots/92 MPH) down the runway, and that is what started all of this. Even with both tires on 1 side gone, why would it take so long to stop this airplane and why would they be traveling so fast several thousand more feet down the runway? I can't seem to figure that out. What scenario am I missing here?
I got this in my email today. What do you all make of this? It seems like we should be reading about this being fatal and not the LJ60.
"NTSB ADVISORY
************************************************************
National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, DC 20594
September 22, 2008
************************************************************
NTSB INVESTIGATING RUNWAY INCURSION IN ALLENTOWN, PA.
************************************************************
The National Transportation Safety Board is
investigating a runway incursion Friday evening in
Allentown, Pennsylvania involving a general aviation
aircraft and a Chicago-bound regional jet airliner.
At 7:45 p.m. on September 19, a Cessna R172K (N736GV)
was on a landing roll on runway 6 at the Lehigh Valley
International Airport when the pilot was instructed to exit
the runway at taxiway A4. Mesa Airlines flight 7138, a CRJ-
700 (N506MJ), already instructed to position and hold on the
same runway, was then given clearance by the same controller
to take off.
During the takeoff roll, the Mesa crew heard the
Cessna pilot say that he'd missed the taxiway A4 turnoff and
ask to exit at taxiway B. The Mesa crew saw the Cessna
ahead on the runway and aborted the takeoff at about 120
knots, swerving around the Cessna. The Mesa crew estimated
that they missed colliding with the Cessna by about 10 feet.
Night visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and
there were no reported injuries to the 60 persons aboard the
jet or those aboard the Cessna."
Are airline crews (regional or Not) trained to a different standard or level of skill than we are as corporate pilots?
Looking forward to hearing back from you all.
Since there is so much interest in it, I was hoping we could all put our heads together and say what's on our mind without insults or a lack of professionalism. I'd like to discuss in detail what info we know for a fact at this point, and as more comes out, we can bring that into the mix. Only confirmed data please. Before I start, it's understood that nobody is Monday morning QBing this crew and let all concede that anyone who reads/posts to this topic has the crew/families in their thoughts and prayers. So we can skip all the polite banter and get right down t the meat and potatos of it.
The crew talking on the radio:
I can't seem to get a clear answer on if the crew did or did not tell ATC they had a blown tire and they're aborting. I can't imagine that happened. They clearly had their hands full, so how/why would they get on the radio at that point? It's something I do not think I would do, but if they thought the plane was under control, then I could see that happeneing. Anybody have an answer on that?
Click Here and select tour of the Runway for a decent view of the runway
Sparks:
I think it is safe to say at this point the crew suffered a blown tire about 1/3 way (80 Knots/92 MPH) down the runway, and that is what started all of this. Even with both tires on 1 side gone, why would it take so long to stop this airplane and why would they be traveling so fast several thousand more feet down the runway? I can't seem to figure that out. What scenario am I missing here?
I got this in my email today. What do you all make of this? It seems like we should be reading about this being fatal and not the LJ60.
"NTSB ADVISORY
************************************************************
National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, DC 20594
September 22, 2008
************************************************************
NTSB INVESTIGATING RUNWAY INCURSION IN ALLENTOWN, PA.
************************************************************
The National Transportation Safety Board is
investigating a runway incursion Friday evening in
Allentown, Pennsylvania involving a general aviation
aircraft and a Chicago-bound regional jet airliner.
At 7:45 p.m. on September 19, a Cessna R172K (N736GV)
was on a landing roll on runway 6 at the Lehigh Valley
International Airport when the pilot was instructed to exit
the runway at taxiway A4. Mesa Airlines flight 7138, a CRJ-
700 (N506MJ), already instructed to position and hold on the
same runway, was then given clearance by the same controller
to take off.
During the takeoff roll, the Mesa crew heard the
Cessna pilot say that he'd missed the taxiway A4 turnoff and
ask to exit at taxiway B. The Mesa crew saw the Cessna
ahead on the runway and aborted the takeoff at about 120
knots, swerving around the Cessna. The Mesa crew estimated
that they missed colliding with the Cessna by about 10 feet.
Night visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and
there were no reported injuries to the 60 persons aboard the
jet or those aboard the Cessna."
Are airline crews (regional or Not) trained to a different standard or level of skill than we are as corporate pilots?
Looking forward to hearing back from you all.