Lowest time King Air PIC?

[jjosh122]

I got a job as a part 91 baron pilot about 6 months ago through a connection I had. I have flown about 250 hours in that time, and my total time is now around 900. I have a very good relationship with my employer, and they are now talking about upgrading to a King Air 90 and keeping me on as pilot. I know most King Air Captains have MUCH more time than I do, which got me wondering. What is the lowest King Air PIC pilot ever? How often does a situation like this happen? Anyone been in a similar situation or heard of one I would be interested in knowing about it.

Thanks

 

[part61]

i have heard 1700, i would worry about it

 

[jjosh122]

i have heard 1700, i would worry about it

worry about what?

 

[jjosh122]

oops... horrible internet connection

 

[LJ45]

Talk to your insurance agent or underwriter, tell them what you are looking to do. Guessing...Might have to get 25 hrs or so dual after school in the airplane before you are soloed.

 

[Quimby]

I got a job as a part 91 baron pilot about 6 months ago through a connection I had. I have flown about 250 hours in that time, and my total time is now around 900. I have a very good relationship with my employer, and they are now talking about upgrading to a King Air 90 and keeping me on as pilot. I know most King Air Captains have MUCH more time than I do, which got me wondering. What is the lowest King Air PIC pilot ever? How often does a situation like this happen? Anyone been in a similar situation or heard of one I would be interested in knowing about it.

Thanks

Lower than 900 hrs.

 

[BoilerUP]

Lower than 900 hrs.

What he said.

Insurance shouldn't be an issue, especially in this soft market...but expect to fly 25-100 hours with a mentor and do simulator training at least once a year.

 

[cjdriver]

I think the record is 0 hours; the passenger that landed the King Air after the pilot died at the controls.

 

[Jetdriver69]

I flew Captain on the King Air, Cheyenne and Citation straight out of the sim. I did my own 3 and 3 and off I went with the owners. Insurance didn't say a thing about it. Of course I had lots of total time, but zero time in type.

 

[Fblowjets]

In my experience its all up to the underwriter. If you visit with them and get to know them it will be a litte easier. It is safe to say you will need a mentor pilot for a while. What I see happening is a real high premium until you get a bunch of turbine time. If your employer really likes you, and does not mind paying alot up front, you might be ok. I second the sim training, they might even require twice a year. Good Luck.

 

[brokeflyer]

yes, the insurance will decide.

With you minimal experience, they may require AT LEAST 100 hours of dual IN TYPE before you can fly it yourself. And that INCLUDES a premium of probly around 25-30k PER YEAR. Your employer may look at hiring someone else that has more time and save 20,000 per year. This is a bad time to be a pilot, especialy a low time pilot.

I had 4 hours in a king air then went and did the 135 check.

Good luck

 

[greyskyracer]

or they will be saving the insurance money on his pay

 

[CelticCitation]

Had a friend ignore the advise to talk to the insurance company first (~1200 hr. guy), went to school, got back, got fired for not knowing he wouldn't be qualified, and is now selling used cars.

 

[o2bflyn]

I think the record is 0 hours; the passenger that landed the King Air after the pilot died at the controls.

No...I think that guy had a liscence.....Private/ASEL....first time flying with a dead Co-pilot though.

 

[mxpilot2]

I have had 2 pilots get their own turbines (Cheyennes) coming out of piston twins, had to go to school, and get 25 hours of dual. No idea what their insurance rate was. My father-in-law was the same, think he told me $20k/yr.

School helps for sure (mostly required), and the dual with a qualified pilot is what I've seen required, other than that, no problem. I do know a guy that had around 1000 hrs, got on a Citation and was captain by 1500.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

I got a job as a part 91 baron pilot about 6 months ago through a connection I had. I have flown about 250 hours in that time, and my total time is now around 900. I have a very good relationship with my employer, and they are now talking about upgrading to a King Air 90 and keeping me on as pilot. I know most King Air Captains have MUCH more time than I do, which got me wondering. What is the lowest King Air PIC pilot ever? How often does a situation like this happen? Anyone been in a similar situation or heard of one I would be interested in knowing about it.

Thanks

250 hours in a Baron in 6-months under part 91? I think a lot of people would question the validity of your log book if they saw those kind of numbers for straight part 91 in a Baron.

 

[BoilerUP]

250 hours in a Baron in 6-months under part 91? I think a lot of people would question the validity of your log book if they saw those kind of numbers for straight part 91 in a Baron.

500 hours in a 12 month period flying a Baron part 91 isn't beyond the realm of possibility at all...and the fact the company is looking to upgrade to a C90 (which is faster than the Baron) lends credence to the fact they realize their current airplane isn't suited for their mission and/or tempo.

 

[400A]

I did it it with slightly more time. I had 600 hours in a C-55 Barron. Do not cut any corners on training. I went every 6 months. get a minimum of 25 hours with a mentor whether the insurance requires it or not. Set your personal weather minimums high at first. If the boss tries to push, do not budge. Do not budge on maintenance either. The bills on a King Air are going to be a completely different animal than the Barron, so they may try to cut corners.

I am speaking from experience. I have been down this exact road.Feel free to PM me.

The 90 is a great next step. It is a pleasure to fly and is quite forgiving.

As others have said though, talk to the insurance agent and know the answers in advance. Keep a eye on brokers. Some will tell your boss you are not qualified so that they can get the job for a buddy.

Good Luck!

 

[Hugh Johnson]

250 hours in a Baron in 6-months under part 91? I think a lot of people would question the validity of your log book if they saw those kind of numbers for straight part 91 in a Baron.

That's only 40 hours a month. 10, 4 hour trips. What's that in a Baron, 350 miles. Working 10 days a month seems a little light. I'm surprised he hasn't accumulated more time.

 

[mdt301]

I got a job as a part 91 baron pilot about 6 months ago through a connection I had. I have flown about 250 hours in that time, and my total time is now around 900. I have a very good relationship with my employer, and they are now talking about upgrading to a King Air 90 and keeping me on as pilot. I know most King Air Captains have MUCH more time than I do, which got me wondering. What is the lowest King Air PIC pilot ever? How often does a situation like this happen? Anyone been in a similar situation or heard of one I would be interested in knowing about it.

Thanks

Lets see I got my first king air 200 captain gig with around 2300hrs, 700 turbine, 1700 multi. I had been flying MU-2s and citation II, along with all the light twin engine a/c (Baron, Cessna 401/402/310). Also, most of my time was single pilot, except the citation. That was a 135 operation, with a ARGUS gold rating. Not sure if that helps. Also, something to think about is the fact that you only have 900hrs. You might be able to handle the aircraft, but think about the new destinations that will follow with the larger aircraft. Single pilot IFR in the mountains, during a snow storm, not the place for a low time pilot. Not the time to be getting that experience with passengers onboard. You might say "that will never happen to me I won't put my self in that position," well when your job is on the line and the boss is breathing down your neck to go go go; stuff happens. Just my two cents, but I don't know your skill level, I am just referencing me when I had 900hrs.

Good luck

 

[sperfly]

I had around 1100 hundred TT, went to Simcom and flew with a mentor for fifty hours when I was turned loose in a 200 but I worked for an insurance underwriting company. Before that we flew a Chieftain. Like some of the above posters said, set high mins for yourself and don't be pushed into anything beyond your comfort level.

 

[ILOVEBEER]

One of my students bought a King Air with around 350 hours total time. I had to give him 50 hours of dual and the insurance said he was good to go. His only multi time was what he did for his ME rating and the 50 with me in the King Air (62 hrs or so). His airplane before that was a Mooney. Now he flies his Lear (last I heard anyway) and he probably barely has ATP minimums.

 

[jjosh122]

250 hours in a Baron in 6-months under part 91? I think a lot of people would question the validity of your log book if they saw those kind of numbers for straight part 91 in a Baron.

I would welcome the challenge to verify the legitimacy of this time. Every flight has been IFR =).

 

[jjosh122]

I did it it with slightly more time. I had 600 hours in a C-55 Barron. Do not cut any corners on training. I went every 6 months. get a minimum of 25 hours with a mentor whether the insurance requires it or not. Set your personal weather minimums high at first. If the boss tries to push, do not budge. Do not budge on maintenance either. The bills on a King Air are going to be a completely different animal than the Barron, so they may try to cut corners.

I am speaking from experience. I have been down this exact road.Feel free to PM me.

The 90 is a great next step. It is a pleasure to fly and is quite forgiving.

As others have said though, talk to the insurance agent and know the answers in advance. Keep a eye on brokers. Some will tell your boss you are not qualified so that they can get the job for a buddy.

Good Luck!

Thanks for the input. I am very aware of this. I am learning fast that there are many backstabbers in this industry. Trust me, I am dealing directly with the insurance brokers myself.

 

[jjosh122]

Lets see I got my first king air 200 captain gig with around 2300hrs, 700 turbine, 1700 multi. I had been flying MU-2s and citation II, along with all the light twin engine a/c (Baron, Cessna 401/402/310). Also, most of my time was single pilot, except the citation. That was a 135 operation, with a ARGUS gold rating. Not sure if that helps. Also, something to think about is the fact that you only have 900hrs. You might be able to handle the aircraft, but think about the new destinations that will follow with the larger aircraft. Single pilot IFR in the mountains, during a snow storm, not the place for a low time pilot. Not the time to be getting that experience with passengers onboard. You might say "that will never happen to me I won't put my self in that position," well when your job is on the line and the boss is breathing down your neck to go go go; stuff happens. Just my two cents, but I don't know your skill level, I am just referencing me when I had 900hrs.Good luck

Thanks for the input. I hadn't looked at it from that perspective. My boss is great though; if I say it's not safe he doesn't question me. However, there is no doubt I will set high personal minimums until I get very comfortable in the airplane--just as I did with the Baron.

 

[brokeflyer]

My boss is great though; if I say it's not safe he doesn't question me.

they all say that.....just wait.

 

[acpilot]

If 135 ops can type Metro PICs at 1500 hours, you can certainly be covered by insurance in a king air 90 at 900 hrs.

If your insurance company says you're not qualified, find another insurance company. You will need to go to school for sure and fly with a mentor for awhile, but I'm sure you can meet the "mins" according to at least one insurance co. out there.

 

[jjosh122]

In case anyone is curious, I just heard back from the insurance company. This is what they want:

$11,000 per year premium
15 hours dual, including 15 full stop landings
simcom/flight safety or equiv

 

[acpilot]

that sounds very reasonable...all things considered

 

[BoilerUP]

In case anyone is curious, I just heard back from the insurance company. This is what they want:

$11,000 per year premium
15 hours dual, including 15 full stop landings
simcom/flight safety or equiv

That premium seems quite reasonable to me, and I'm actually kind of surprised they don't want more than 15 hours of dual. Hell, my insurance company initially wanted 25 hours dual when I transitioned to the CJ2+ despite being typed and having 400+ hours in the Citation II!