Losing it's Luster

[maru657]

That's the title in an article posted in Air Transport World. Worth mentioning only because of the wild inaccuracies and assumptions.
It quotes such luminaries as Chuck Hogeman, ALPA's human factors and traing group chair, David Wright, Jepps senior manager-training solutions and other barely literate experts. The meat of the article is that actual experience dosen't matter and that attending some "puppy mill" airline school will rectify all of our problems. All of our woes are due to the insufficient amount of pilots being produced by the government and the pilots of Colgain Air supposedly had plenty of flight time. Specifically mentioned is the Colgain Captains response to a stall warning. However, the FAA's mandate nowdays is to do exactly what the Colgain Captain did, pull back on the stick and hold altitude. They just forgot the part about an iced up aircraft and tail. As a friend said, "If we prosecuted the Colgain and Continental management along with the P.O.I. staff for contributing to manslaughter, We might find a sudden new reverance for actual experience among airline staff".

 

[cmij733]

Very interesting article. This quote sums up why my career timing sucks, "But US legacy passenger airlines haven't hired pilots in about a decade; American Airlines, for example, employs more pilots over the age of 60 than under 40."

http://atwonline.com/aeropolitics-regulation/article/losing-its-luster-0429

 

[enigma]

That's the title in an article posted in Air Transport World. Worth mentioning only because of the wild inaccuracies and assumptions.
It quotes such luminaries as Chuck Hogeman, ALPA's human factors and traing group chair, David Wright, Jepps senior manager-training solutions and other barely literate experts. The meat of the article is that actual experience dosen't matter and that attending some "puppy mill" airline school will rectify all of our problems. All of our woes are due to the insufficient amount of pilots being produced by the government and the pilots of Colgain Air supposedly had plenty of flight time. Specifically mentioned is the Colgain Captains response to a stall warning. However, the FAA's mandate nowdays is to do exactly what the Colgain Captain did, pull back on the stick and hold altitude. They just forgot the part about an iced up aircraft and tail. As a friend said, "If we prosecuted the Colgain and Continental management along with the P.O.I. staff for contributing to manslaughter, We might find a sudden new reverance for actual experience among airline staff".

You got it!

All they're doing is trying to set the stage for the MPL. Somehow, they are bound and determined to find pilots who are both cheap and quality at the same time. I fear that my career will be over before someone finally realizes that cheap and quality are mutually exclusive.

 

[crj567]

You got it!

All they're doing is trying to set the stage for the MPL. Somehow, they are bound and determined to find pilots who are both cheap and quality at the same time. I fear that my career will be over before someone finally realizes that cheap and quality are mutually exclusive.

Well put-

MPL is an awful threat to our profession. I believe cabotage is an equally large threat. Once people figure out that they can keep getting out to Portland for $49 each way, they will be falling all over each other to get cabotage in place. Either of these eventualities will absolutely destroy whatever we have left of a career. (And people like Gen Lee are just as vulnerable as the most junior guy at the crappiest regional.)

-The only guys who will profit are the familiar few who are profiting now.

 

[pilotyip]

ATP not the answer

Quote:

Losing its Luster

- ATW Online

By Lisa Ray
Created 2010-05-01 00:00
By Aaron Karp

Both the House of Representatives and Senate have passed legislation that would require all Part 121 pilots to possess an ATP license, meaning it is very possible it will soon be mandated by law that even a regional airline FO will have to possess one.

“An ATP does not require an extensive amount of training,” Lovelace says. “It’s based on hours in the logbook. It doesn’t cover a lot of varied topics or skill sets.” He notes that the captain in the Colgan accident had an ATP (he had more than 3,300 hr. of total flying time) but was found by NTSB to have made a number of key mistakes on the night of the crash and to have had five “unsatisfactory” check rides throughout his career.

Higher Standards

Pilot education “should be based on competencies as opposed to hours,” Macchiarella agrees. He adds, “We believe that hours and competencies are not necessarily correlated. [pilot]
”

Exactly as I have said the possession of an ATP in not the answer to competency in the cockpit, a couple years in the on-demand business is a great way to develope those competencies

 

[maru657]

I don't think they get it at least our revered new head of the FAA dosen't. Congress is apearantly passing those bills over his objections. I mean what are the poor puppy mill flight schools to do if they can't boost their graduates right into an airline seat? Despite the articles premise, There dosen't appear to be any impending shortage of pilots, Maybe experienced pilots. But the industry has treated experience like something to be avoided at all cost for a long time, it might interfere with the ability of flt ops management to impliment some hairbrained descision based on figures instead of imperical fact. The intended bills by congress are an end run around the status quo implemented over years of specious reasoning. Pardon the spelling,,, I'm sober.

 

[Shrek]

That's the title in an article posted in Air Transport World. Worth mentioning only because of the wild inaccuracies and assumptions.
It quotes such luminaries as Chuck Hogeman, ALPA's human factors and traing group chair, David Wright, Jepps senior manager-training solutions and other barely literate experts. The meat of the article is that actual experience dosen't matter and that attending some "puppy mill" airline school will rectify all of our problems. All of our woes are due to the insufficient amount of pilots being produced by the government and the pilots of Colgain Air supposedly had plenty of flight time. Specifically mentioned is the Colgain Captains response to a stall warning. However, the FAA's mandate nowdays is to do exactly what the Colgain Captain did, pull back on the stick and hold altitude. They just forgot the part about an iced up aircraft and tail. As a friend said, "If we prosecuted the Colgain and Continental management along with the P.O.I. staff for contributing to manslaughter, We might find a sudden new reverance for actual experience among airline staff".

The more you fly Colgain the more hair you will grow......

Now if spelling and grammar were required we WOULD have a pilot shortage......

I'd probably be out of a job too.....lol

 

[m80drvr]

I think this is it.

Indeed, the ICAO Multi-Crew Pilot License standard, which calls for just 240 hr. of flying time, is premised on the notion that the quality of training is far more important than the number of hours accumulated (ATW,March 2008, p. 44). The US “hasn’t embraced” MPLtraining, Macchiarella says.

I had to look it up also.

 

[jumppilot1000]

Speaking of the Colgan crash, why isn't Continental financially responsible, while it appears BP is going to pay for the oil spill damages (and cleanup)when they had used an outsourced drilling rig?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

That's the title in an article posted in Air Transport World. Worth mentioning only because of the wild inaccuracies and assumptions.
It quotes such luminaries as Chuck Hogeman, ALPA's human factors and traing group chair, David Wright, Jepps senior manager-training solutions and other barely literate experts. .

Funny thing....the "Barely literate experts" are in Air transport World and your sorry ass is pissing his panties on FI....Classy!!!

 

[LearLove]

how come these pilot shortage stories are always written by some university or company (UND, ERAU, air Inc ect. ) that has a stake or makes its $$ off training pilots?

I'd be willing to bet all the money in my savings that you'll never see a study by ERAU saying there are too many commercial pilots out in the system.

just like you will never see Pepsi or Coke promoting clean tap water or public drinking fountains.

 

[pilotyip]

Never a pilot shortage

how come these pilot shortage stories are always written by some university or company (UND, ERAU, air Inc ect. ) ........

As Avbug says there is never a pilot shortage, however as pilotyip says there are experience shortages which happens during hiring booms. Next one coming in 2012, it is already starting

 

[Skippy]

Please dont compare us to dr's. And drs do graduate and learn/ practice at a teaching hospital during their residency--- much like the captain should takeover when the fo gets into something above his head- the chief resident does the same-- ever watch ER?

Drs to pilots? Really? How many drs have been furloughed?
How many pilots have had their student loans paid for working in certain areas of the cointry?
How many pilots work with college educated and equally demanded coworkers such as nurses.
If u had the opportunity and capability, and u could do it all over which would u rather become a pilot or dr? I rest my case

 

[Smarta$$]

As Avbug says there is never a pilot shortage, however as pilotyip says there are experience shortages which happens during hiring booms. Next one coming in 2012, it is already starting

How is it already starting? Jetblue got 1800 applications in a few days. All well qualified pilots.

 

[pilotyip]

How is it already starting? Jetblue got 1800 applications in a few days. All well qualified pilots.

That is the way it starts, hiring start, pilot start moving, pretty when these pilot leave their jobs, that leaves a job open for someone. We have had 4 pilots take other jobs so far this year, which means we are hiring. Just watch this is how it starts

 

[ualdriver]

Next one coming in 2012, it is already starting

To be followed by the great furlough of 2014. Hopefully the guys hired in the "hiring boom" of 2012 are ready for it.

 

[JetFumes]

As Avbug says there is never a pilot shortage, however as pilotyip says there are experience shortages which happens during hiring booms. Next one coming in 2012, it is already starting

Did you just speak of yourself in third person............um....ok then.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Two points....

Pilots who call themselves professionals are for certain ready to claim the benefits, yet seem to be lacking any effort to take the required responsibility.

We don't know how to value something without putting a price on it. Therefore, flight safety and professionalism are commodified....

 

[pilotyip]

?????????????

Did you just speak of yourself in third person............um....ok then.

Did I, you, them say that?

 

[FLYLOW22]

I'm ready to do what it takes to get it back.

Please contact me when the rest of you figure it out.

Regards,