Looking for one Hawaii approach plate...

[avi8tr]

Hi guy's,

I'm interviewing with Aloha/Island Air and I need an approach plate to study. The plate in need is the VOR/A Lahiana approach into Kapalua/West Maui.
It is off the MKK 100 radial. It is supposed to be a difficult one and would require some study to get right. If anyone has one, can you please fax me a copy at 360/341/2070. It would be so appreciated and helpful to a fellow struggling pilot applicant.

Thanks very much,

Av8ter

 

[Pistonpilot]

try this site

http://edj.net/cgi-bin/echoplate.pl
This site has the approach plates from the NOS.
Island Air uses the Jepps charts, but it's the same info.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

You won't find that approach at that website and it's also not in any of the Jepps. It is a locally designed approach by Island Air or Corporate Air, so I hear. It's really not all that difficult... If I remember right,(the only time I've seen it was at my interview so far) there's no procedure turn...It's just a straight shot on an outbound radial from the Molokai vortac. At least the scenario I was given did not involve a PT. Just read the missed approach procedure carefully and don't bite off on the fact that the missed calls for an initial climbing right turn. Chief pilot showed me the plate with a small aircraft superimposed on the plan view. In the situation I was shown, the sensible thing to do was a climbing left turn, away from the mountain, then proceed direct to the holding fix. Just take your time reviewing the plate before you open your mouth....worked for me. Good luck!

 

[CaptBuzzard]

Doesn't hawaii use a P (PHNL, or POGG) for their airport identifier?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Yes.

 

[Freight Dog]

You won't find that approach at that website and it's also not in any of the Jepps. It is a locally designed approach by Island Air or Corporate Air, so I hear.

Actually, the approach was designed by Hawaiian Airlines back in the day when they were flying DHC-7's. Currently, only Island Air and Corporate Air can use that approach.

As for the "gouge", like Hugh said... if you are asked about executing the missed once you've begun your circle, turn AWAY from the mountain and over the water as the missed procedure intends. It's actually a pretty easy approach.

 

[avi8tr]

Hi guys,

Just got back from the Island/Aloha Air interview. In the meeting with the chief pilot, I got the dreaded approach plate. I initially called up Jeppessen, and asked for this chart, but like you said Hugh, it is not published. Anyway, was pretty easy to decipher, and I said the right thing, and moved on in the interview process. The company seems like a nice place to work, and I felt really good with Phyliss Torres, and Joe Edwards. I could of done better with the un expected sim ride, but nothing a few hours can't remedy. The cog test seemed rather interesting, but I don't feel I did bad. The little written was easy and the drug test was done at the end. Hugh, given all that I had to do during my interview, do you think I have a chance to get on? I would really like to work there, and get a little sun.

Thanks to all for your help...

Av8ter

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I was wondering the same thing following my interview. My thought was if they were willing to shell out the coin for the drug test ( I think that stuff's expensive), they are probably interested in you. Of course, they don't have the written test results before they do that, but I felt pretty good knowing that I kept moving through the process. Seems like a great place to be. Good luck and let us know when you get the good letter (I got it via email within about 5 days, I think). Aloha.

 

[avi8tr]

Hey Hugh,

When did ou interview with them? And are you currently flying for them? I may have alot more questions to ask you later if you don't mind.

Your friend,

Av8ter

 

[dash8driver]

part of this is late, but if any up coming interviewees read this maybe it'll help.

first of hawaii airports start with PH (Pacific Hawaii), and then whatever letters they decide to put at the end. its not a logical process on which two letters are included. KHNL became PHNL, KOGG - PHOG, KJHM - PHJH, KMKK - PHMK, KLNY - PHNY, etc.

when you are reviewing that plate in the interview what they are looking for is to see if you know when the you follow the missed instructions and when you dont on a circling approach. basically, the missed approach instructions are good if you go missed at the MAP. if you are already circling you are supposed to turn towards the airport (if you're not already facing that way) and then rejoin the missed approach procedure. in this case if you're headed for runway 2, you want to turn left, away from the mountain, or runway 20 turn right, away from the mountain...then rejoin the missed approach procedures.

they dont give everyone a drug screen, the only people that do are the ones that didnt bomb all the interview stages that are evaluated immediately. so if you got the drug test you are basically in the hiring pool pending your psych, drug, and possibly the written test. this is not to say that you'll get hired in the next class, because they typically only hire an average of 8 per class. if you're not in the next class you're still in the pool for a future class. and believe me, there are lots of more classes to come.

good luck to you...

 

[dondk]

Interviewed with them on Monday...

1 guy was a no-show (phyliss stated that happens often), the other got walking papers after the written. I went through all 4 plus the got the NDR to get notarized and sent back to them. I thought the same thing, they pay for the psych, drug and NDR, so I would "assume" you would be a poolie in a few weeks. Is my thought process remotely accurate? How many go the length and get the decline?

Someone mentions 5 days from interview to offer, is that accurate?


Any idea the size of the pool? I remember about a year ago it was supposedly at 50...

Thanks...

 

[Freight Dog]

A buddy of mine interviewed with us, and he went through the whole interview process including drug test, and he got the no-thank-you letter. Best guess, he bombed the psych test..

That psych test is one of the biggest disqualifiers. Who knows what they're looking for in that one...

 

[dash8driver]

your thought process is correct, though i dont know how they pull people from the pool. i dont know if there is any rhyme or reason to it or not. if you got the pee-pee test, you should be in the clear as far as the interview goes. they're just waiting for results from things that cant be verified right away (tests, etc).

offers are given about 5 days AFTER the last day of interviews.

i have no idea on the size of the pool.. i would guess about 20.

 

[avi8tr]

Hi again,

Well I don't know if I should feel encouraged, or not. I too, was given the NDR to have notarized, (Which by the way I have not done yet and will do today). I felt that my interview went rather smoothly except for the trim switch battle in the sim, which later went better. ILS to a landing.

As for the COG (psych test), it didn't seem that difficult to me, but then again who knows. I know for sure I passed that written, That prep book has been my nightly reading for six months, through 3 interviews.

The one on one with Ms. Torres, and Joe Edwards seemed to go well, I answered all of their questions and we seemed to have a nice rapport.

As for the drug test, well I am a clean living sort of guy, so that I'm not too worried about.

Well enough with the analysis, thanks for reading, I'm boring myself to tears.

Your friend,

Av8ter

 

[dondk]

SIM RIDE?

Some people actually did a sim ride???

I was told and from some of the gouges that the sim ride was gone... I never did a sim ride, offered one or even mentioned that one may be needed...
4 Phases...
1 on 1
written
if good then continue or your excused
Psych test
Drug test

At what point did you do the sim? Not to be nosey but what were your qualifications? Are the sim riding guys without turbine or low multi???

Now I am thinking maybe I did not make it if I was not offered a sim ride!


The Psych test was the same at PDT, from what I remember PDT telling us is the test just puts an individual in a "range" the range is to see if you could handle training or not. The range was based on an ability to "think on your feet" so to speak. The timed portion of the color test was to see your confidence in time and accuracy. As the PDT guy who picked this test as a qualifer put it to me, "we are looking for guys to look outside the box"

I do not know if this helps anyone or not, but I also remember that the success rate was normally quite high (70% or better) amongst most pilots.

 

[Freight Dog]

Maybe they only do sim rides in ATL... Where did you interview?

 

[dondk]

in ATL this past Monday...

I expected one, but never got one.... No one was even around to run the sim

I am baffled...

 

[Freight Dog]

I wouldn't worry about it... let us know when you get the good news.

 

[avi8tr]

This is a reply to Dondk, and Freight Dog.,

YES! I got a sim ride. I was not expecting it. All of the prior gouges didn't mention one so I did not go to a local airport and practice on one. It was right after the one on one and written test. I was with another applicant when a gentleman who introduced himself as a sim instructor asked who wanted to go first. I volunteered primarily because I wanted to make sure I went through all of the stages. The sim was set up as a King Air, with dual glass cockpit monitors and full yoke, power levers, throttle etc...He explained it was going to be a CRM type flight and he was FO. I set up the frequencies for VOR, and ILS in ATL, and off we went. He told me V1 Vr V2 speeds and adjusted the torque. Basically straight and level at 4000' some turns in a climb, and descent, and an approach. Then a missed apporach, and a hold. Which I did not do, but called our the proper entry. I unfortunately had a hard time with the trim switch, and started to work too hard and began chasing needles. He also felt that the trim was a little squirrley. During my last approach, they put the sim on pause, and had me do a drug test. I spent about 5 minutes trying to p#@ in a bottle. After that, I went back and made a descent ILS and a bouncy landing. Then I was done. This took place in Atlanta, AirInc. I now that once I start flying daily and consistently, my skills will come back quickly. It's like riding a bike. Anyway, I don't know how much emphasis they put on the sim ride, I really don't think I did that badly. But then who knows. I really want this job though. By the way, the sim guy was great, real easy going.

Your friend,

Av8ter

 

[avi8tr]

Oh! by the way,

I flew a King Air, and a Merlin for a 135. Now I'm working for a company with executive Cessna 414's. My time is 1370, with 550 turbine.

Av8ter

 

[dash8driver]

Dondk & avi8tr,

as far as the sim, i dont think they're looking to see if you are chuck yeager right outta the box. they are just looking to see if you have some skills so you will be trainable if they hire you.

as far as not getting a sim ride, i wouldnt worry about it. they have gone back and forth between using sim rides and not using a sim. given that, i dont think its THAT heavily weighted. they have hired many people without a sim ride. it is possible that you (dondk) werent given one only because there wasnt a sim guy available to run the sim.

word i got was that roughly half the applicants from ATL will probably go into the pool.

good luck... let us know when you get the letter!

 

[CARVEMASTER]

Mr. Jorgan. I'm on to you! I asked a few newhires if they knew a Hugh jOrgan from the internet. After a few chuckles, I caught on to your e-name shinanigans. Wishing for the impossible is no way to go through life mister! You are now on Secret Probation! In fact, because you spilled the beans on the big guy's key interview question, you're probably on Double Top Secret Probation. Trust me, he's on to you mister!! You too Freight Dog (aka "I never have time to surf"), and Dash8driver also. Better help the big guy come up with a new question now that any knucklehead can answer the old one! Secret Probation for both of you!!!

For those who have interviewed, good luck to you. Home every night, fun people to work with, great boss, and mucho outdoor activities. If you're tired of surfing cold water, this is the place to be! Most important, be ready to devote every inch of your brain to training. If unfamiliar with Hawaii's airspace, get on it now. See ya soon!

 

[Freight Dog]

You too Freight Dog (aka "I never have time to surf")

Doh!!!!!!!! Guilty as charged! But hey, I did manage to paddle out the last coupla mornings. I'm starting to take this job for granted, and that's not good. ;-)

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

"Wishing for the impossible is no way to go through life mister!"

Well, it's ONE way to go through life.......

Wish I were paddling out.... hopefully by the time the country bumps up again, I'll be back there and joining you guys, maybe even sooner....

any class date rumors?

 

[Freight Dog]

They just finished one. There is one more coming up, but according to staffing requirements the flight ops put out, they just may have to run another class...


Good luck!

 

[CARVEMASTER]

Just having fun Mr. Hugh.
I thought you were already on board with us! Don't worry, before you know it you'll be up to your ears in system handouts, limitations, and emergency procedures. Manage your time well in training. Try to keep one day ahead by studying the systems to be covered the following day. You'll retain a great deal more in class that way.
See Ya!

Carvemaster

 

[dondk]

Another to the pool

Got my e-mail yesterday and faxed in the acceptance today...

Looking forward to getting to fly the islands and looking forward to getting back to a Dash....


Thanks to all for the information and look forward to meeting you one day on the line...

 

[Freight Dog]

Awesome! Congrats bro!! We'll see ya out this way.. don't forget the surfboard

 

[avi8tr]

Contratulations! Dondke,

That's great that you got the job, I'm still waiting for my letter or email. Try'in hard not to get insecure... This self analysis is driving me crazy. Just really want the job...

Av8ter

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Surfing on Reserve?????

Anyone ever found a good way to waterproof a pager well enough to trust it in the surf? I tried it once: waves 1, pager 0.
Just seems like there'd be no better way to sit reserve than to be in the water. Anyone have any luck?