Listen up EXPRESSJET INTERVIEWEES

[Sam Fisher]

When I applied through their online application it said I didn't meet their hiring requirements.
Over 3000 TT and a 737 Type, I've been layed off for 9 months and haven't flown anything accept 22 hours in a 737 sim in the last 6 months.

I guess they don't want to hire good pilots with a lot of experience.

Actually, we do want to hire good pilots with experience...including experience in the past 6 months.

a) Our management has made a policy (right, wrong, whatever) of not hiring furloughed major airline pilots.

b) Our management has made a policy of wanting to hire pilots who are current. This seems like a good policy to me. Why should we hire someone who hasn't flown in 6 months when there are thousands of other pilots out there who meet the experience requirements who are actively flying?

Sam

 

[Sam Fisher]

By the way do they pay you during trainning yet? Last I heard no pay till after your checkride.

This was a couple of years ago but one guys I used to CFI with went there and after ground school + sim back up, no manuals exc exc. went $ broke after 4 months with out pay still not finished with training and had to quit to get a job to pay the pile of bills.

Hopfully they pay you to work there now, and training is work

a) Training program is now 6-8 weeks, start to finish, no delays.

b) Our management does not view a new hire as an "employee" until after they pass their simulator check ride and as such, only pays for hotels and expenses (per diem).

If someone is going to turn down a good company over not being paid for 6-8 weeks, so be it. I guess they can go to some of the other airlines that pay, even though their overall contract and career opportunities could be much worse over there. I don't follow the logic. Cheers.

Sam

 

[snoopy_1]

Actually, we do want to hire good pilots with experience...including experience in the past 6 months.

a) Our management has made a policy (right, wrong, whatever) of not hiring furloughed major airline pilots.

b) Our management has made a policy of wanting to hire pilots who are current. This seems like a good policy to me. Why should we hire someone who hasn't flown in 6 months when there are thousands of other pilots out there who meet the experience requirements who are actively flying?

Sam

1. I am not a furloughed major airline pilot, I am a furloughed Falcon 20 freightdog First Officer, only had a commercial ticket when I was furloughed, I procured WIA funds to supplement my GI Bill to get an Airline Transport Pilot certificate that came along with a B-737 Type Rating.

2. I am willing to bet that the 22 hours of 737 sim flying I did 3 months ago has made me more proficient than someone that has flown a real plane 60 hours in the past 6 months.

 

[othello]

a) Training program is now 6-8 weeks, start to finish, no delays.

b) Our management does not view a new hire as an "employee" until after they pass their simulator check ride and as such, only pays for hotels and expenses (per diem).

Sam

Ok so management says that, What about the Pilot Union? Stand up for the newbies. It is pure crap that managment still gets away with these 1980's policies.

p.s. even Masa pays during training. I know xjet has a better contract in 98% of the fields but it is to bad the news hires get bent over.

Is this something that is being pushed for in the new contract?

 

[Skyward]

Originally posted by Sam Fisher

a) Our management has made a policy (right, wrong, whatever) of not hiring furloughed major airline pilots.

Sam this is not true we are hiring many furloughed pilots and you do not have to give up your seniority number. You do have to be current though.

 

[FSB99]

What about the Pilot Union? Stand up for the newbies.

management doesn't consider you an employee until you're truly eligible to fly the line, i.e., after your checkride. alpa considers you an apprentice member until one year of service is accomplished. you don't pay dues in that first year, but you get most of the benefits as migs. why these policies? i don't know. just the way it is...


in an indirect way, we are looking out for the newbies, via contract negotiations, proposing that pay for training never happens again, insurance/vacation accrual/other benefits begin sooner than in previous years.

for what it's worth..

 

[Sam Fisher]

Sam this is not true we are hiring many furloughed pilots and you do not have to give up your seniority number. You do have to be current though.

Skyward,

I heard from several members of management that we weren't going to hire furloughed major pilots. If I am wrong, that is awesome, since I don't agree with the practice.

Sam

 

[Sam Fisher]

Ok so management says that, What about the Pilot Union? Stand up for the newbies. It is pure crap that managment still gets away with these 1980's policies.

p.s. even Masa pays during training. I know xjet has a better contract in 98% of the fields but it is to bad the news hires get bent over.

Is this something that is being pushed for in the new contract?

The Union has no say in this matter. Labor law dictates that issue. Because the company doesn't consider you an employee, you have no rights, and as such, you are not covered under the contract. If new hires are not covered under the contract, the NMB will not let the Union strike over this issue. It goes beyond "union chest thumping" and stuff like that.

I don't agree with the policy or practice, for the record. Beyond this one issue, we treat our new hires very well and overall, this is a great company to work at. The new contract will make it even better.

Sam

 

[Sam Fisher]

1. I am not a furloughed major airline pilot, I am a furloughed Falcon 20 freightdog First Officer, only had a commercial ticket when I was furloughed, I procured WIA funds to supplement my GI Bill to get an Airline Transport Pilot certificate that came along with a B-737 Type Rating.

2. I am willing to bet that the 22 hours of 737 sim flying I did 3 months ago has made me more proficient than someone that has flown a real plane 60 hours in the past 6 months.

Fair enough. I assumed (incorrectly) by your profile, that you were a furloughed mainline guy. I apologize. Either way, the company can hire who they wish and if they want a guy who has been flying real airplanes, they can hire that guy over you. Perhaps you should try to find a job, any job, flying? Flight instructing? Banner towing? Anything..that gets you some hours. Good luck.

Sam

 

[JungleJetFO]

Let's put you to the test:

I know three guys that turned down Xjet offers, I talked to one who said the same thing as DorkDriver they dont treat their interviewes very well and he told them thanks but no thanks.
Sounds like whom ever is doing the interviews is a real A-hole.

By the way do they pay you during trainning yet? Last I heard no pay till after your checkride.

This was a couple of years ago but one guys I used to CFI with went there and after ground school + sim back up, no manuals exc exc. went $ broke after 4 months with out pay still not finished with training and had to quit to get a job to pay the pile of bills.

Hopfully they pay you to work there now, and training is work

Othello,
Your are one of three things - 1. Stupid , 2. A liar, or 3. Crazy. Which is it?
We haven't hired in 2 and 1/2 years and it's been over 5 years since pay for training went away. Coex pays for everything while you are in training (Hotel, per diem, etc.)

 

[Aileron2020]

Sorry...

They do not pay for everything while in training. While they do pay more than Pinnacle, they should still be giving a wage. At least some sort of training salary until you are on-line.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Sorry...

They do not pay for everything while in training. While they do pay more than Pinnacle, they should still be giving a wage. At least some sort of training salary until you are on-line.

We pay roughly $1500 to each new hire, tax free, to cover their expenses while in training. If someone is going to decline an opportunity to work here over that issue, that is their choice - a silly one in my opinion.

Sam

 

[Aileron2020]

Sam,

Silly me...You are correct. We should all be willing to go to work for $4.70 per hour. That is what your $1500 works out to over 8 weeks.

-A

 

[Ty Webb]

Hmmm. It seems a little has changed since I interviewed there back in 1998 . . . what a waste of time that was!

I had plenty of good, current jet time . . . . but the Brasilia Capt who interviewed me was more interested in why I didn;t apply earlier, when they still charged for training (didn't take the bait).

Atthe end of the interview, when he gave me the "you'll get a phone or a letter" speech, I told him that I was disappointed that I wasn;t invited to the second interview (after lunch). He looked me in the eye, and said, "There is no second interview. Nothing has been decided yet. Don't believe everything you hear or read on the internet".

As I walked down the hall, the girl in our group, who was walking out the door, holding hands with her boyfriend, who had been waiting for her in the hotel lobby (real professional) said to him, "They told me to come back after lunch, but not to tell anyone".

Say what you want about rating an airline based on the interview, but I took a day off of work, paid for a hotel, jumped through their hoops, only to be lied to . . . . Hmmn, is it any wonder I don;t have much respect for that company?

PS, the good news is that two months later, I had a great job with a new jet type and it started at quite a bit more than what that Brasilia Capt was making, so I guess it all works out in the end.

 

[JungleJetFO]

Sorry...

They do not pay for everything while in training. While they do pay more than Pinnacle, they should still be giving a wage. At least some sort of training salary until you are on-line.

Just trying to end the misinformation. It's your opinion on what is equitable. ExpressJet does pay you while you are in training. It is important information to know that you do get paid, you do not have to pay for your hotel or for the training. Now, if you don't think that is enough, well, I think we can all agree to that. But I doubt you are going to find a much better deal than that at the regional level. If so, please give us how much someone else is paying so we can bring it to managements attention.