Listen up EXPRESSJET INTERVIEWEES

[FSB99]

What about the Pilot Union? Stand up for the newbies.

management doesn't consider you an employee until you're truly eligible to fly the line, i.e., after your checkride. alpa considers you an apprentice member until one year of service is accomplished. you don't pay dues in that first year, but you get most of the benefits as migs. why these policies? i don't know. just the way it is...


in an indirect way, we are looking out for the newbies, via contract negotiations, proposing that pay for training never happens again, insurance/vacation accrual/other benefits begin sooner than in previous years.

for what it's worth..

 

[Sam Fisher]

Sam this is not true we are hiring many furloughed pilots and you do not have to give up your seniority number. You do have to be current though.

Skyward,

I heard from several members of management that we weren't going to hire furloughed major pilots. If I am wrong, that is awesome, since I don't agree with the practice.

Sam

 

[Sam Fisher]

Ok so management says that, What about the Pilot Union? Stand up for the newbies. It is pure crap that managment still gets away with these 1980's policies.

p.s. even Masa pays during training. I know xjet has a better contract in 98% of the fields but it is to bad the news hires get bent over.

Is this something that is being pushed for in the new contract?

The Union has no say in this matter. Labor law dictates that issue. Because the company doesn't consider you an employee, you have no rights, and as such, you are not covered under the contract. If new hires are not covered under the contract, the NMB will not let the Union strike over this issue. It goes beyond "union chest thumping" and stuff like that.

I don't agree with the policy or practice, for the record. Beyond this one issue, we treat our new hires very well and overall, this is a great company to work at. The new contract will make it even better.

Sam

 

[Sam Fisher]

1. I am not a furloughed major airline pilot, I am a furloughed Falcon 20 freightdog First Officer, only had a commercial ticket when I was furloughed, I procured WIA funds to supplement my GI Bill to get an Airline Transport Pilot certificate that came along with a B-737 Type Rating.

2. I am willing to bet that the 22 hours of 737 sim flying I did 3 months ago has made me more proficient than someone that has flown a real plane 60 hours in the past 6 months.

Fair enough. I assumed (incorrectly) by your profile, that you were a furloughed mainline guy. I apologize. Either way, the company can hire who they wish and if they want a guy who has been flying real airplanes, they can hire that guy over you. Perhaps you should try to find a job, any job, flying? Flight instructing? Banner towing? Anything..that gets you some hours. Good luck.

Sam

 

[JungleJetFO]

Let's put you to the test:

I know three guys that turned down Xjet offers, I talked to one who said the same thing as DorkDriver they dont treat their interviewes very well and he told them thanks but no thanks.
Sounds like whom ever is doing the interviews is a real A-hole.

By the way do they pay you during trainning yet? Last I heard no pay till after your checkride.

This was a couple of years ago but one guys I used to CFI with went there and after ground school + sim back up, no manuals exc exc. went $ broke after 4 months with out pay still not finished with training and had to quit to get a job to pay the pile of bills.

Hopfully they pay you to work there now, and training is work

Othello,
Your are one of three things - 1. Stupid , 2. A liar, or 3. Crazy. Which is it?
We haven't hired in 2 and 1/2 years and it's been over 5 years since pay for training went away. Coex pays for everything while you are in training (Hotel, per diem, etc.)

 

[Aileron2020]

Sorry...

They do not pay for everything while in training. While they do pay more than Pinnacle, they should still be giving a wage. At least some sort of training salary until you are on-line.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Sorry...

They do not pay for everything while in training. While they do pay more than Pinnacle, they should still be giving a wage. At least some sort of training salary until you are on-line.

We pay roughly $1500 to each new hire, tax free, to cover their expenses while in training. If someone is going to decline an opportunity to work here over that issue, that is their choice - a silly one in my opinion.

Sam

 

[Aileron2020]

Sam,

Silly me...You are correct. We should all be willing to go to work for $4.70 per hour. That is what your $1500 works out to over 8 weeks.

-A

 

[Ty Webb]

Hmmm. It seems a little has changed since I interviewed there back in 1998 . . . what a waste of time that was!

I had plenty of good, current jet time . . . . but the Brasilia Capt who interviewed me was more interested in why I didn;t apply earlier, when they still charged for training (didn't take the bait).

Atthe end of the interview, when he gave me the "you'll get a phone or a letter" speech, I told him that I was disappointed that I wasn;t invited to the second interview (after lunch). He looked me in the eye, and said, "There is no second interview. Nothing has been decided yet. Don't believe everything you hear or read on the internet".

As I walked down the hall, the girl in our group, who was walking out the door, holding hands with her boyfriend, who had been waiting for her in the hotel lobby (real professional) said to him, "They told me to come back after lunch, but not to tell anyone".

Say what you want about rating an airline based on the interview, but I took a day off of work, paid for a hotel, jumped through their hoops, only to be lied to . . . . Hmmn, is it any wonder I don;t have much respect for that company?

PS, the good news is that two months later, I had a great job with a new jet type and it started at quite a bit more than what that Brasilia Capt was making, so I guess it all works out in the end.

 

[JungleJetFO]

Sorry...

They do not pay for everything while in training. While they do pay more than Pinnacle, they should still be giving a wage. At least some sort of training salary until you are on-line.

Just trying to end the misinformation. It's your opinion on what is equitable. ExpressJet does pay you while you are in training. It is important information to know that you do get paid, you do not have to pay for your hotel or for the training. Now, if you don't think that is enough, well, I think we can all agree to that. But I doubt you are going to find a much better deal than that at the regional level. If so, please give us how much someone else is paying so we can bring it to managements attention.

 

[othello]

Othello,
Your are one of three things - 1. Stupid , 2. A liar, or 3. Crazy. Which is it?
We haven't hired in 2 and 1/2 years and it's been over 5 years since pay for training went away. Coex pays for everything while you are in training (Hotel, per diem, etc.)

Hey Thanks, JungleJetFO guys like you downgrade this board.

I am none of thoes things, I never once said you were PFT you may try reading a little slower this time.

The things I posted are directly from pilots I know and work/worked with. The guy that went broke trying to get through trainning was hired in April 2000 on the 1900 and hadn't started the sim in late July and left, he had a family and bills that wern't going to wait til he got done with the sim. It was like I already posted every thing from broken sim to no manuals for ground school caused his whole class delay after delay. The other guys I mentioned 1 went to SkyWest and 2 came to Mesaba after their negitive interviews at Xjet.

If you read my post you should know I dont flame anyone I post facts, And the facts are that there are a lot of companys hiring right now, many which pay there pilots from day one. I had a friend that got burned bye xjets policy of not paying there pilots during trainning. It can happen.

Xjet maybe a great place for a lot of pilots but not all just like any place.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Sam,

Silly me...You are correct. We should all be willing to go to work for $4.70 per hour. That is what your $1500 works out to over 8 weeks.

-A

If you'll read my response to the other person above, you would see that I did in fact say that I don't agree with this practice. At this point, there is nothing that anyone can do about it but hope that our company changes this practice.

Nonetheless, under your logic, a pilot should go work at Airline X because they pay during training even though Airline X might not have the growth that we do, the contract that we do, etc.

My point was that if you truly like a company and want to work there, it would be silly to turn down employment simply because of a philosophical difference of opinion in how a company classifies its employees during the employee's first 6-8 weeks of employment.

Sam

PS - That money is tax free, so it is a bit more than $4.70/hour, more like $5.60/hour.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Hmmm. It seems a little has changed since I interviewed there back in 1998 . . . what a waste of time that was!

I had plenty of good, current jet time . . . . but the Brasilia Capt who interviewed me was more interested in why I didn;t apply earlier, when they still charged for training (didn't take the bait).

Atthe end of the interview, when he gave me the "you'll get a phone or a letter" speech, I told him that I was disappointed that I wasn;t invited to the second interview (after lunch). He looked me in the eye, and said, "There is no second interview. Nothing has been decided yet. Don't believe everything you hear or read on the internet".

As I walked down the hall, the girl in our group, who was walking out the door, holding hands with her boyfriend, who had been waiting for her in the hotel lobby (real professional) said to him, "They told me to come back after lunch, but not to tell anyone".

Say what you want about rating an airline based on the interview, but I took a day off of work, paid for a hotel, jumped through their hoops, only to be lied to . . . . Hmmn, is it any wonder I don;t have much respect for that company?

PS, the good news is that two months later, I had a great job with a new jet type and it started at quite a bit more than what that Brasilia Capt was making, so I guess it all works out in the end.

Ty,

A lot has changed in 6 years. Our company has changed dramatically and it is nothing now like it was then. Under your logic, I could say "man, Airtran/VJ, what a junk airline. They had crashes, junk equipment, scabs, bla bla." But ya know what? That is an unproductive way of looking at things honestly because we both know what kind of company Airtran has matured into - a great one. Just like ExpressJet has. Times change and so do airlines.

Sam

 

[chuychanga]

Nobody is disputing the horror stories from a few years ago, but if you're paying attention you'll have learned that the process has changed for the better. Dresser is no longer involved in the interview process. It is pleasant and professional throughout the entire process. Things have changed, get over it.

 

[othello]

Just trying to end the misinformation. But I doubt you are going to find a much better deal than that at the regional level. If so, please give us how much someone else is paying so we can bring it to managements attention.

Well, Mesaba is from the first day of newhire class a full 75 hr a month pay 23.08hr =$1731 a month + single hotel room, company ID and benifits. Has been that way for over 10 years.

I think many companys are. Air Willy, Mesa, TSA, Chatuqua, ASA, Horizon.

You should read the www.ALPA.org research section all of the contracts are online.

You seem out of the loop.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Well, Mesaba is from the first day of newhire class a full 75 hr a month pay 23.08hr =$1731 a month + single hotel room, company ID and benifits. Has been that way for over 10 years.

Mesaba gives you full heathcare benefits on your first day of class? As to the rest, that is great. I'm glad Mesaba treats your new hires that well. I wish we paid our new hires as well but until our company takes the position that the contract covers new hires (read: considers them employees on their class date), we will continue to pay them per diem plus give them a hotel room and positive space travel, etc.

Sam

 

[CRJ puppy]

Well, Mesaba is from the first day of newhire class a full 75 hr a month pay 23.08hr =$1731 a month + single hotel room, company ID and benifits. Has been that way for over 10 years.

I think many companys are. Comair, Air Willy, Mesa, TSA, Chatuqua, ASA, Horizon.

You should read the www.ALPA research section all of the contracts are online.

You seem out of the loop.

Sorry, but at Comair, pay is $250/week (taxable) and they pay for the hotel for one week only. ASA does pay min. guarantee (75hrs) at first yr. rate AND pays for hotel throughout training from day 1.

 

[Ty Webb]

Originally posted by Sam Fisher
Ty,
Under your logic, I could say "man, Airtran/VJ, what a junk airline. They had crashes, junk equipment, scabs, bla bla."

Sam [/i}


Sure, Sam, if AirTran had invited you to interview, you took time off of work, paid for a hotel, and showed up with a good attitude, only to be lied to and shoved out the door . . . . well, then you might use that logic . . . .but I doubt that happened to you.

As for the other stuff . . . . even at it's worst, it was still better than COEX at its best!

 

[Sam Fisher]

Sure, Sam, if AirTran had invited you to interview, you took time off of work, paid for a hotel, and showed up with a good attitude, only to be lied to and shoved out the door . . . . well, then you might use that logic . . . .but I doubt that happened to you.

As for the other stuff . . . . even at it's worst, it was still better than COEX at its best!

I doubt that Airtran or VJ at its worst was better than XJT is now. VJ used to be PFT, just as XJT was. Companies that are in good financial shape tend to be good ones to work for and companies who are insolvent or in poor health tend not to be such great places to work. Both VJ and XJT back in the mid 90's weren't in such great shape and as such, weren't such great places for employees. Now, quite the opposite.

The real point I was trying to make is that it is pointless to discuss our past hiring practices or the past condition of this company just as it is fruitless to talk about the way VJ and/or Airtran used to be. They are both 2 totally different companies now. I've seen you post to people who were bashing Airtran because of the old VJ crashes and the scabs and the corporate culture, etc, only to point out how good of a company Airtran is today. Hopefully you will see my point now.

Sam

 

[Skyward]

At any company in any industry the people who badmouth the interview process are 95% of the times the one who didn’t get offered the job! It’s called sour grapes, boo hoo.

Originally posted by othello

Well, Mesaba is from the first day of newhire class a full 75 hr a month pay 23.08hr =$1731 a month + single hotel room, company ID and benifits. Has been that way for over 10 years.

Othello, we all know what a great place Mesaba is to work, good management, great new contract, tons of growth. And oh they pay a LITTLE BIT more for NEW HIRE training.