Listen up EXPRESSJET INTERVIEWEES

[othello]

Othello,
Your are one of three things - 1. Stupid , 2. A liar, or 3. Crazy. Which is it?
We haven't hired in 2 and 1/2 years and it's been over 5 years since pay for training went away. Coex pays for everything while you are in training (Hotel, per diem, etc.)

Hey Thanks, JungleJetFO guys like you downgrade this board.

I am none of thoes things, I never once said you were PFT you may try reading a little slower this time.

The things I posted are directly from pilots I know and work/worked with. The guy that went broke trying to get through trainning was hired in April 2000 on the 1900 and hadn't started the sim in late July and left, he had a family and bills that wern't going to wait til he got done with the sim. It was like I already posted every thing from broken sim to no manuals for ground school caused his whole class delay after delay. The other guys I mentioned 1 went to SkyWest and 2 came to Mesaba after their negitive interviews at Xjet.

If you read my post you should know I dont flame anyone I post facts, And the facts are that there are a lot of companys hiring right now, many which pay there pilots from day one. I had a friend that got burned bye xjets policy of not paying there pilots during trainning. It can happen.

Xjet maybe a great place for a lot of pilots but not all just like any place.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Sam,

Silly me...You are correct. We should all be willing to go to work for $4.70 per hour. That is what your $1500 works out to over 8 weeks.

-A

If you'll read my response to the other person above, you would see that I did in fact say that I don't agree with this practice. At this point, there is nothing that anyone can do about it but hope that our company changes this practice.

Nonetheless, under your logic, a pilot should go work at Airline X because they pay during training even though Airline X might not have the growth that we do, the contract that we do, etc.

My point was that if you truly like a company and want to work there, it would be silly to turn down employment simply because of a philosophical difference of opinion in how a company classifies its employees during the employee's first 6-8 weeks of employment.

Sam

PS - That money is tax free, so it is a bit more than $4.70/hour, more like $5.60/hour.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Hmmm. It seems a little has changed since I interviewed there back in 1998 . . . what a waste of time that was!

I had plenty of good, current jet time . . . . but the Brasilia Capt who interviewed me was more interested in why I didn;t apply earlier, when they still charged for training (didn't take the bait).

Atthe end of the interview, when he gave me the "you'll get a phone or a letter" speech, I told him that I was disappointed that I wasn;t invited to the second interview (after lunch). He looked me in the eye, and said, "There is no second interview. Nothing has been decided yet. Don't believe everything you hear or read on the internet".

As I walked down the hall, the girl in our group, who was walking out the door, holding hands with her boyfriend, who had been waiting for her in the hotel lobby (real professional) said to him, "They told me to come back after lunch, but not to tell anyone".

Say what you want about rating an airline based on the interview, but I took a day off of work, paid for a hotel, jumped through their hoops, only to be lied to . . . . Hmmn, is it any wonder I don;t have much respect for that company?

PS, the good news is that two months later, I had a great job with a new jet type and it started at quite a bit more than what that Brasilia Capt was making, so I guess it all works out in the end.

Ty,

A lot has changed in 6 years. Our company has changed dramatically and it is nothing now like it was then. Under your logic, I could say "man, Airtran/VJ, what a junk airline. They had crashes, junk equipment, scabs, bla bla." But ya know what? That is an unproductive way of looking at things honestly because we both know what kind of company Airtran has matured into - a great one. Just like ExpressJet has. Times change and so do airlines.

Sam

 

[chuychanga]

Nobody is disputing the horror stories from a few years ago, but if you're paying attention you'll have learned that the process has changed for the better. Dresser is no longer involved in the interview process. It is pleasant and professional throughout the entire process. Things have changed, get over it.

 

[othello]

Just trying to end the misinformation. But I doubt you are going to find a much better deal than that at the regional level. If so, please give us how much someone else is paying so we can bring it to managements attention.

Well, Mesaba is from the first day of newhire class a full 75 hr a month pay 23.08hr =$1731 a month + single hotel room, company ID and benifits. Has been that way for over 10 years.

I think many companys are. Air Willy, Mesa, TSA, Chatuqua, ASA, Horizon.

You should read the www.ALPA.org research section all of the contracts are online.

You seem out of the loop.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Well, Mesaba is from the first day of newhire class a full 75 hr a month pay 23.08hr =$1731 a month + single hotel room, company ID and benifits. Has been that way for over 10 years.

Mesaba gives you full heathcare benefits on your first day of class? As to the rest, that is great. I'm glad Mesaba treats your new hires that well. I wish we paid our new hires as well but until our company takes the position that the contract covers new hires (read: considers them employees on their class date), we will continue to pay them per diem plus give them a hotel room and positive space travel, etc.

Sam

 

[CRJ puppy]

Well, Mesaba is from the first day of newhire class a full 75 hr a month pay 23.08hr =$1731 a month + single hotel room, company ID and benifits. Has been that way for over 10 years.

I think many companys are. Comair, Air Willy, Mesa, TSA, Chatuqua, ASA, Horizon.

You should read the www.ALPA research section all of the contracts are online.

You seem out of the loop.

Sorry, but at Comair, pay is $250/week (taxable) and they pay for the hotel for one week only. ASA does pay min. guarantee (75hrs) at first yr. rate AND pays for hotel throughout training from day 1.

 

[Ty Webb]

Originally posted by Sam Fisher
Ty,
Under your logic, I could say "man, Airtran/VJ, what a junk airline. They had crashes, junk equipment, scabs, bla bla."

Sam [/i}


Sure, Sam, if AirTran had invited you to interview, you took time off of work, paid for a hotel, and showed up with a good attitude, only to be lied to and shoved out the door . . . . well, then you might use that logic . . . .but I doubt that happened to you.

As for the other stuff . . . . even at it's worst, it was still better than COEX at its best!

 

[Sam Fisher]

Sure, Sam, if AirTran had invited you to interview, you took time off of work, paid for a hotel, and showed up with a good attitude, only to be lied to and shoved out the door . . . . well, then you might use that logic . . . .but I doubt that happened to you.

As for the other stuff . . . . even at it's worst, it was still better than COEX at its best!

I doubt that Airtran or VJ at its worst was better than XJT is now. VJ used to be PFT, just as XJT was. Companies that are in good financial shape tend to be good ones to work for and companies who are insolvent or in poor health tend not to be such great places to work. Both VJ and XJT back in the mid 90's weren't in such great shape and as such, weren't such great places for employees. Now, quite the opposite.

The real point I was trying to make is that it is pointless to discuss our past hiring practices or the past condition of this company just as it is fruitless to talk about the way VJ and/or Airtran used to be. They are both 2 totally different companies now. I've seen you post to people who were bashing Airtran because of the old VJ crashes and the scabs and the corporate culture, etc, only to point out how good of a company Airtran is today. Hopefully you will see my point now.

Sam

 

[Skyward]

At any company in any industry the people who badmouth the interview process are 95% of the times the one who didn’t get offered the job! It’s called sour grapes, boo hoo.

Originally posted by othello

Well, Mesaba is from the first day of newhire class a full 75 hr a month pay 23.08hr =$1731 a month + single hotel room, company ID and benifits. Has been that way for over 10 years.

Othello, we all know what a great place Mesaba is to work, good management, great new contract, tons of growth. And oh they pay a LITTLE BIT more for NEW HIRE training.

 

[Future SNA]

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[JungleJetFO]

stick with your own company

Well, Mesaba is from the first day of newhire class a full 75 hr a month pay 23.08hr =$1731 a month + single hotel room, company ID and benifits. Has been that way for over 10 years.

I think many companys are. Comair, Air Willy, Mesa, TSA, Chatuqua, ASA, Horizon.

You should read the www.ALPA research section all of the contracts are online.

You seem out of the loop.

Hey, as long as you post stuff from your own company that is 100% legit, more power to you. But if you post wrong info on my company, I'm going to flame you. And it's not because I want to defend my company. It's so that guys trying to get a job can make the right decision based on the facts. Wherever you are getting your info, it's not exactly precise.

 

[othello]

Re: stick with your own company

Hey, as long as you post stuff from your own company that is 100% legit, more power to you. But if you post wrong info on my company, I'm going to flame you.

Dude you just type and dont read. I have have posted no wrong information about your company.

If you see any wrong info PM me and let me know and I will be happy to edit any of my post.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Re: Re: stick with your own company

Dude you just type and dont read. I have have posted no wrong information about your company.

If you see any wrong info PM me and let me know and I will be happy to edit any of my post.

According to the information that CRJPuppy posted, you now...are the one who "seems to be out of the loop."

Sam

 

[xdashdriver]

Anyone know if XJet is actually hiring non-US citizens? I know they're getting at least the first interview....but wondering if there is any non-citizen that has made it all the way since they started hiring again?

Ray

 

[chuychanga]

Yes, they have hired non-US citizens recently.

 

[Ty Webb]

At any company in any industry the people who badmouth the interview process are 95% of the times the one who didn’t get offered the job! It’s called sour grapes, boo hoo. [/i]

Yeah, I'm crying about it.

 

[Ty Webb]

Originally posted by Sam Fisher

The real point I was trying to make is that it is pointless to discuss our past hiring practices or the past condition of this company just as it is fruitless to talk about the way VJ and/or Airtran used to be. They are both 2 totally different companies now. I've seen you post to people who were bashing Airtran because of the old VJ crashes and the scabs and the corporate culture, etc, only to point out how good of a company Airtran is today. Hopefully you will see my point now.

Sam


OK, fair enough. Good luck, Sam in your endeavors and exploits.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

2. I am willing to bet that the 22 hours of 737 sim flying I did 3 months ago has made me more proficient than someone that has flown a real plane 60 hours in the past 6 months.

Well la-dee-frickin-da!

seriously though, the old interviews pre-9-11 were weird. Nowadays I have heard nothing but good things. The no pay during indoc blows but at least they'll pay for your hotel. cough!! ACA.

 

[Skyward]

Originally posted by Ty Webb

Yeah, I'm crying about it.

Must have scarred you pretty deep to still be crying err talking about it 6 years later. Get over it and move on.

 

[Captain X]

My airline's better than your airline!

No! My airline is better than your airline!

Nuh uh! My airline is better than your airline!

YOU ALL SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS!!!

The best airline is the one that offers you a job. The worst airline is the one that didn't. Get the f@ck over it, move on, and try being a professional at the airline you're at.

 

[Ty Webb]

Must have scarred you pretty deep to still be crying err talki
ng about it 6 years later. Get over it and move on.

No scars here, chief, and sorry about your lack of a sense of humor. I remember it well, though, because I thought it was a very strange and insulting experience.

Needless to say, I have moved on . . . . just like your former RJ Captains that we have hired here at AirTran.

 

[Tooslow]

Atleast COEX gives you a hotel and Per Diem. Skywest gives you %^&.

 

[Mookie]

Skywest DOES give hotel...albeit a shared a shared room at the Candlehood. Still no pay in training...which isn't cool, but hopefully that will be rectified soon.

i'm sure that express jet is a great place...

mookie

 

[pilotmiketx]

ugh...

Other Pilots: Please turn down all XJET offers on account of not paying during training (make room for me!!!)

I'd give my left nut for a precious XJET interview. I didn't make it past the phone screening (1800/200 at the time.) My 90 days is almost over and I'm ready to do it again.

It shouldn't matter who pays what during training. If you want to put a dollar amount on it, make a spreadsheet to account for the future value of all salary and benefits 5 years down the road. Of course, you can't put a figure on things like quality of life, bases, etc. Of you were real nerdy, you could assign metrics to those things and compare them to other airlines, but then that is a bit much. If it were me, i'd be all over it like white on rice.

PM

 

[Ty Webb]

Sheesh! What a PUTZ!

Sounds to me like you've already been neutered. .

It shouldn't matter who pays what during training.

Look, Junior, it DOES matter. It is a job. You are working. If your time is worth so little, go do something else.

If you want to put a dollar amount on it, make a spreadsheet to account for the future value of all salary and benefits 5 years down the road.

While you're making your spread sheets, there, Sport, why don't you determine what the value of those three or four months of working for free were worth by the time you retire? And, why don't you tally up the "intangible costs" to morale, the detriment to future wage negotiations (due to staring from "free" and the interest that most of you will pay on the debt you will undoubtedly acquire while working for free for 3 or 4 months?

Somebody else want a turn with this fool?

 

[FlyChicaga]

But I doubt you are going to find a much better deal than that at the regional level. If so, please give us how much someone else is paying so we can bring it to managements attention.

At our company we provide new hires with a 65-hour pay guarantee starting your first day of training (your hire date). You are also provided a $450 housing allowance (for the 4 weeks) and your hotel is paid for during simulator training (2 weeks in MSP). When you complete training you are then bumped up to the 75-hour guarantee. I'd have to check our Policy manual to see the per diem policies when out of base (sim training).

 

[Aileron2020]

Pilot Mike from TX,

Ty hit the nail on the head!

It is your whoreing attitude that is dragging an entire segment, if not eventually the enitre industry, down. Stop trying to lowball the next guy. I know you low time guys don't like to hear this, but if we all stuck together and quit working for less than slave wages, this could be a very enjoyable career. But with Mike's willingness to give up his manhood for a interview attitude, we get what we deserve.

Dude, if I ever were to find you in my cockpit, I would not hesitate to treat you like the scab scum you are!

Pilot Mike from TX...Go to he11!

-A