Lights on Airliners for ice?

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Thanks, everyone who replied... I guess those lights shining at the wings are to inspect for ice... But are the passengers supposed to report what they see to the pilots because it is virtually impossible for them to see the whole wing..
 

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Well if it's in one place chances are it's in another. We have ice lights on the G but I can only see about 4-5 feet in from the winglet.
 

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Gearmunky said:
Well if it's in one place chances are it's in another. We have ice lights on the G but I can only see about 4-5 feet in from the winglet.

You've got around a thousand hours and your right seat in a Gulfstream?!?!? Let alone the rest of the jets you've got listed.... What lucky star was shining on you???
 

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Oh boy - here it comes. Gearmunky went through this on the corporate board...
 

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I'd be interested to know what insurance company would cover someone with less than 1000 hours to sit right seat in a Gulfstream. I was hired into the right seat of a Slowtation II with 800 hours and barely got by with the insurance folks.
 
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It depends on what the company is willing to pay for the insurance, and how much pull the company has with the insurance company. When it comes to right seat pilots, a lot of the more connected CP's can insure an FO at pretty much anything as long as it's legal.

Remember, the regionals are insuring 600 hours FO's to fly planes much larger than a Gulfstream.
 

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bigD said:
Remember, the regionals are insuring 600 hours FO's to fly planes much larger than a Gulfstream.
Well yeah, they are also air carriers which have training and operations that are all approved by the FAA. :)
 

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SkyBoy1981 said:
Well yeah, they are also air carriers which have training and operations that are all approved by the FAA. :)

True, but it shows that insurance companies are willing to work with companies that have shown that they have training and SOP's that reduce risk. It's the same in the corporate world. I've known CP's that are well known enough to pretty much be able to say, "Look, I've seen to it that this guy is trained well, and is safe to operate this airplane." and the insurance companies say okay with little regard to TT. Of course there are limits, but it's amazing how some people get insured, and others don't.
 

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I would say that the CP getting a pilot insured on his/her "word" is far from the norm. Especially when you have a multi-million dollar aircraft carrying the "principals of some company", who's life insurance coverage equals the GDP of a small country. This all equates to highly suspect credentials.
 

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Workin'Stiff said:
You've got around a thousand hours and your right seat in a Gulfstream?!?!? Let alone the rest of the jets you've got listed.... What lucky star was shining on you???

I mean really!!! 1000TT and your flying in those kind of planes!!! WOW I wish I was you
 

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Could be, Workin' Stiff. I certainly can't tell the insurance company squat!

But I've seen it happen a lot, however you're right, I'm not sure how it does.
 

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I know a DO of a jet management company that still gets his insurance company to allow them to do training in the aircraft. He actually tells the customers (owners) that their "in-house training" is better than FSI/Simuflite because they "train in the airplane instead of taking the cheap way out in a simulator".

In other words, the "training" is either on repositioning flights, or post-MX flights, but the customer gets charged for training, and it goes into his jaguar or mini-mansion.

Talk about big brass balls. . . . but he goes to church every Sunday . . . . so it's OK.
 

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SkyBoy1981 said:
I'd be interested to know what insurance company would cover someone with less than 1000 hours to sit right seat in a Gulfstream. I was hired into the right seat of a Slowtation II with 800 hours and barely got by with the insurance folks.

Delta/Comair paid for the training of some folks I know just after getting their private and put them online with around 400 hours, if that.

I'm sure the captains love dealing with that.
 

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Word from Feeder Operations, is that we're getting an "Ice Detector System" for the Caravans.
 

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bigD said:
Oh boy - here it comes. Gearmunky went through this on the corporate board...

bigD said:
It depends on what the company is willing to pay for the insurance, and how much pull the company has with the insurance company. When it comes to right seat pilots, a lot of the more connected CP's can insure an FO at pretty much anything as long as it's legal.

Remember, the regionals are insuring 600 hours FO's to fly planes much larger than a Gulfstream.

Good lookin' out D....appreciate it;)

If you want more on this subject search the corporate board, we've been through this more times than I care to mention.

BigD is right, it all depends on your relationship with the insurance company.

Pretty much it's like this-if you have school like FSI it's not a problem, in house isn't the same by any means, but can be done if the insurance company allows it. It's better in some ways but not in others. If you did your training in house when is the last time you blew the gear down or pulled the fire handle in a real airplane, how about reverser deployment in flight?? Chances are none, and hope you never have to. In house can't do that. Most companies just don't send low timers to school for Gulfstreams, so it's odd. I have a friend who started flying them at 27 years old and got razzed by his classmates for being young.

I know other pilots in Gulfstreams out there with less time than me, believe it or not. It's just not common that's all. You would think the G in G-IV stood for "granpop" half the time. I have friends that started flying DA-10's with 800 hours and now at 1500 are flying Westwinds and Challengers. Another buddy of mine has 750 hours and flies a Challenger 601 and a Falcon 50. This is corporate, it's all who you know.

Delta/Comair paid for the training of some folks I know just after getting their private and put them online with around 400 hours, if that.

I'm sure the captains love dealing with that.

You also have to consider quality of hours, not quantity. By the time I had 400 hours 100 of it was multi time. It's all how your raised by your older pilots. I got lucky enough to work line service for a charter company, when on my days off and after my shifts, got to fly deadlegs on charter trips-mostly in the Northeast corridor. Different experience than I would have gotten had I worked as a CFI. There is nothing wrong with flight instruction, I just didn't need to get it at the time. I'll get it someday, I'm sure just for now it's not a smart investment with my money. It would take too long to recoupe the $5000 it would take to get it. At my airport instruction is not a thriving business.

Kind Regards,

Gear
 

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FN FAL said:
Word from Feeder Operations, is that we're getting an "Ice Detector System" for the Caravans.

Is that a Waffen SS death's head on your avatar?
 
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