liberal hypocrisy

[Mogus]

By the way, Typhoon, I like your Carl Sagan quote. Very wise man. However, it doesn't necessarily descibe the Bush administration's policies and actions (which was your intention of the quote, correct?).

 

[Timebuilder]

Carl Sagan was inspired by the Bible, as have so many others. The description is analogous to the antichrist, who will appear to be very charismatic, able to make peace treaties and gather people together. Since Satan is the great deceiver, many will unwittingly follow this figure as he paves the way for a new "iron curtain" that controls the entire earth.

Bush is anything but charismatic and smooth, as he shows his discomfort with public speaking. We didn't elect him to be a smoothie, we elected him to lead the country, and on the whole that's exactly what he's doing.

 

[sky37d]

I had an inspiration this AM, and wanted to share it with you on this thread
If a DEMOCRAT wants to win in 04, president that is, I'm sure a lot of them will win something, dogcatcher in Paducah, for instance, Anyway,
If a Democrat wants to win the president for '-04, he should campaign on ELIMINATING THE TSA, replace them wiht Doreen with the private security company, thereby reducing the federal deficit. No sharp objects, allowed, no guns allowed, a six pack of coke in a leather bag for every passenger. The first joker who stands up gets clobbered, put at least 3 300# passengers on every flight, after the yahoo gets clobbered, they sit on the poor sot, and that's the end of Hijacking.

Passengers 1, hijackers 0.

Also, no CEO should earn more than 10 times the lowest paid worker in their company. Make it a law. No million dollar ceo's. Also flat tax. 3% on what you make, send it in. Got 10 kids, tough. Got no kids, tough.

I guess it makes me a socialist republican.

 

[Mogus]

The Democrats will not win the White House in 2004. Period. In addition to their lack of fresh ideas, they don't appeal to the public in the area of Homeland Defense. They simply don't have the balls or smarts to do what needs to be done.

 

[uscpilot]

Since this thread started with the whole Regan "Movie" cancellation, I wanted to go back to it for just a moment.
I am suprised that ShowTime is taking the movie after CBS turned it down. It cant possibly have enough nudity and gratitutious sex for them. Maybe they will add some scenes to make it appropriate for their viewership. Not like I want to see a depitiction of Ronnie or Nancys' wrinkled butts, maybe they will use a stunt butt.
At any rate I am sure that all the rediculious stuff like the fabricated "live in sin die in sin" comment will be readmitted. All the Regan and Bush haters will religiously watch and interpret it as historically accurate. Afterall, they can imagine Regan saying it therefore it must be true.
usc

 

[uscpilot]

The liberal hypocracy on this issue was totally predidicatable and has transpired in the news and on the editorial sections in an equally predictable fashion. Its a free speech violation, boycott, and and a right wing/republican conspiracy. That is the usual mantra when ever these people dont get their way.
The left can slander their enemies all they want, God help if you do the same to them. Can anyone imagine back lash that would happen if someone wrote a docudrama about Martin Luther King and took artistic liscence. Lets say they had him coming out of a motel room after having sex with a white girl.
I frankly dont see what these people are complaining about anyway. With this thing on showtime it will be anything goes, and all the previously removed trash will be reinserted.
usc

 

[Timebuilder]

"Stunt butt". ROFLMAO!!

In the film industry, we call it a "body double", but that was pretty funny!

Also, no CEO should earn more than 10 times the lowest paid worker in their company. Make it a law. No million dollar ceo's.

This idea has a lot of appeal for people until they think it through. If you were to establish such a limit, the current crop of highly trained and well-networked corporate leaders might opt to just go and sit on an island.

Now, suppose you have most of your retirement money invested in XYZ company, and this law goes into effect. Calvin J. Bigmoney, the CEO who has lead your company to historically high share prices and a 150% increase in dividends over the past ten years decides that he would rather step down than take a pay cut. No big deal, right? Wrong.

Calvin is trusted by the board and the banks that lend your company money. Suppliers know that Calvin has always been a straight shooter, and they extend your company some very good terms due to the years of goodwill he has established. Now, Calvin leaves.

Your company stock takes a 10% fall in a week. The board is in chaos. The top three picks who are Calvin's hand picked successors are no longer interested in this deal. Your company, and your investment, take a horrendous hit.

Not a very good idea.

We need a free market for services to determine the value of a chief executive. If we limit the compensation, we may deprive ourselves of the very best leadership for American companies. In a global economy, having the best leaders is critical. Just as critical as the prosecution of those who have violated accounting and trading rules.

 

[rettofly]

Calvin J. Bigmoney, the CEO who has lead your company to historically high share prices and a 150% increase in dividends over the past ten years

AHA! Finally caught you in a typo!

That's "led", not "lead".

Sorry. I couldn't resist.

 

[Timebuilder]

DOH!!!

 

[sky37d]

ok

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

I had an inspiration this AM, and wanted to share it with you on this thread
If a DEMOCRAT wants to win in 04, president that is, I'm sure a lot of them will win something, dogcatcher in Paducah, for instance,

Also, no CEO should earn more than 10 times the lowest paid worker in their company. Make it a law. No million dollar ceo's. Also flat tax. 3% on what you make, send it in. Got 10 kids, tough. Got no kids, tough.

I guess it makes me a socialist republican.

Oh sure, put my cousin Ernest out of job he's been at for 37 years. The only elected Republican official in McCracken County.



OK. So how much should entertainers be allowed to make? What about politicians (please include kickbacks)?

 

[Typhoon1244]

Carl Sagan was inspired by the Bible...

Not only is that statement totally inaccurate, it's also fairly insulting to Sagan's memory. (I guess T.B.'s still smarting from my remarks about Reagan...)

Sagan wrote those lines in '95 and (more than likely) had not guessed that George W. Bush would be President today. He was, however, speaking of a hypothetical future political leader who's very adept at manipulating the faith and patriotism of the nation to his advantage.

When you combine human selfishness with the raw number of W.M.D.'s maintained by the U.S., our allies, and our enemies...Sagan felt that that was reason enough to worry without bringing up some mythical "anti-Christ."

 

[CitationLover]

its tough to sit back and watch "christianity" when people bring up the "anti-christers" and soothsayers out there. these idiots, most of whom only care about selling books, have no clue. they're very good at twisting passages in the bible to show evidence. history has shown every era has had these and in the future im sure there will be others. its sad that we now have a "left behind" generation furthering this nonsense.

liberals and conservatives are guilty about politicizing religion and should both take a step back.

christians have one purpose here on earth. MK 16:15-16.

 

[Timebuilder]

MK 14:15
Then he will show you a large upper room, furnished and prepared; there make ready for us."
14:16
So His disciples went out, and came into the city, and found it just as He had said to them; and they prepared the Passover.

Gotta be a typo, since I am sure you don't mean our purpose is to have furnished rooms or to prepare for passover.

I have never read a "left behind" book, but the concept is based on solid Bible principle. Since the Bible is inerrant, and the word of God, even the scripture of David, Corinthians, Thessalonians, and Revalation are all correct. While people who study the Bible can disagree on how scripture should be interpreted, God has a plan and that plan is in place and working.

Carl Sagan wrote a book in 1995 and could not have been influneced by the Bible? He almost certainly was familiar with the Bible from his youth and his contact with Christians.

Who knows, he might have fired up a doobie and read Revelation. I'm told he was a big proponnent of pot. At the very least, all of the heavenly bodies that Sagan studied were a part of God's creation, so it is TOTALLY accurate to say that Sagan was inspired by God.

liberals and conservatives are guilty about politicizing religion and should both take a step back.

The founder saw our ability to have religion be a part of every area of our lives as a right, which is currently being infringed. For eample, Matthew 28 tells us to:

19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

There are many Americans who are being restraind from practicing this central command of God in their daily activities.

So, Citation Lover, conservatives only want what the constitution describes, and liberals seek to re-write the constitution. It is a simple as that.

 

[CitationLover]

typo i've changed it.

of course God has a plan, however he also gave us free will to believe or not (im not a firm believer of the calvin way of thinking). the bible has become an icon to most protestants. study the history of how the bible was formed, the politics behind it and see that God's word has not stopped with the Bible.


timebuilder, liberals THINK they're interpreting the constitution also.

 

[Timebuilder]

There you go. This is also a reference to "the great commission".

We should also, according to the Bible, learn and communicate scrtipture and principles of the Bible. This includes Bible prophecy.

Some might want to check out this page. It is the web home of the TV show "the King is Coming". It isn't anything like watching Pat Robertson, trust me on that. I can take about a minute of Pat. But I digress...

http://www.thekingiscoming.com/wtdiymtr.htm



I recall when I ws a liberal that I thought that we were interpreting the Constitution. In retropspect, I think we were projecting what we WISHED was in the Constitution.

We wished that the Constitution contained a clause guaranteeing freedom from religion.

We wished that the Constitution said that only the police and military could carry firearms.

We wished the Constitution guaranteed not an equal opportunity, but an equal outcome.

We wished that a guarantee of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness also meant that we were guaranteed that no one would use an offensive word or gesture, or describe us in a way that we considered unflattering or mean.

None of these wishes are what the founders had in mind. These wishes ARE consistent with what Orwell had in mind.

 

[CitationLover]

timebuilder,

there are different schools of thought regarding this. amillenial, pre/post millenial. we just happen to disagree.

 

[Timebuilder]

You are right about that, my friend. We do.

As much as abortion, guns and the rapture are fascinating, I have to consume large qualitiies of coffee and have some food, too.

See you gentlemen later.

 

[mar]

Influenced by the Bible/Inspired by God

I gotta say, the above statements are two different things.

Almost all of us are influenced by the Bible. So I didn't say anything at first.

But Carl Sagan was an atheist and I'm sure he'd have serious reservations about the "inspired by God" statement.

You don't have to be a great student of Sagan to know how he felt about politics and religion.

Just go rent the film 'Contact'.

 

[Timebuilder]

But Carl Sagan was an atheist and I'm sure he'd have serious reservations about the "inspired by God" statement.

I thought I said that he was inspired by the Bible, which he had probably read, at least in part, to try and dispute its content.

The parallel to the description of the antichrist was most likely completely subconscious.

A separate idea is the idea that God has the ability to exert sovereign power over ALL of creation.

Even those parts of His creation that don't believe in Him.