Let the whip begin...PCL vs. CJC

[DoinTime]

I don't think what anyone gets will be up to you or CJC. An arbitrator will decide. It will be interesting for the arbitrator to look at career expectations. Pncl has jets; CJC does not. CJC has a shorter upgrade than PNCL. Each side has something different. Pncl is buying the Q, but CJC was given the flying by CAL. Without the latter, there is no need for the former.

This is assuming that Colgan management puts up a fight for their pilots. If management chooses not to incur the time lost or money spent on arbitration they will give alpa what they want. Without a Union management speaks for the Colgan pilot group.

 

[PCL_128]

Without a Union management speaks for the Colgan pilot group.

How's that NO vote feeling right about now, Colgan 50.5%?

 

[better up here]

How's that NO vote feeling right about now, Colgan 50.5%?

a little sore, even with my 49.5

 

[suupah]

Thanks pinnacle pilots for being right and looking forward to bending Colgan guys over. Thank goodness there is one pilot group out there who is just and right. congrats!!!!

 

[WildBlue]

Suupah, I cannot believe that you are going to believe what a few anonymous morons post on this board.

The Pinnacle MEC has been on record for a long, long time that any integration would be done in fairest manner possible to all participants. Translation: DOH or percentile based. Either way, no one in ANY position of authority has talked about bending anyone over. The only ones actually talking about that are a few loud-mouthed hotheads who don't have any influence.

 

[Smarta$$]

Thanks pinnacle pilots for being right and looking forward to bending Colgan guys over. Thank goodness there is one pilot group out there who is just and right. congrats!!!!

We warned you and told you to get a union. You guys said you didn't need one. I am glad I pay my 2%.

 

[FO 4 Life]

From a different board,
"It was announced tonight that the company has violated our scope clause section 1.2.f (i believe) and is required to comply with this section by putting fences in place to protect pinnacle pilots jobs, and eventually merge seniority lists between pinnacle and colgan pilots."

So both sides get fenced to protect what each have and will merge the list after x number years. Sorry SmartOne, no staple.

 

[PCL_128]

So both sides get fenced to protect what each have and will merge the list after x number years. Sorry SmartOne, no staple.

You're correct that there won't be a staple, but the list will likely be merged long before the "years" that you think. Probably late this year, or early next year. How the fences will be designed and how the seniority will be merged has yet to be determined.

 

[Fred Rogers]

All I can say is bring it on. I CAN'T WAIT to become one group and one voice with the PCL folks.

Hey - all you CJC new hires who are mad that the ALPA boogy man might come staple you to the bottom of the list and are mad that someone might rain on your party:

There are pilots out there you can thank for this situation. They voted NO last summer for ALPA. Ask your Captain (if he didn't come off the street) how it went down. The Tools out there know who they are. I know there are 49% of the colgan pilots out there who know what's up. To the other tools, we told you so. We told you so. WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This b.s. has been going on so long, I don't know why on earth anyone doesn't get it.

Can't wait for the merger!! It will benifet both pilot groups immensley in many ways. Uncle Phil and our Buddy loose the ammo in their gun if we are one group.

 

[V1cutsrfun]

All I can say is bring it on. I CAN'T WAIT to become one group and one voice with the PCL folks.

Hey - all you CJC new hires who are mad that the ALPA boogy man might come staple you to the bottom of the list and are mad that someone might rain on your party:

There are pilots out there you can thank for this situation. They voted NO last summer for ALPA. Ask your Captain (if he didn't come off the street) how it went down. The Tools out there know who they are. I know there are 49% of the colgan pilots out there who know what's up. To the other tools, we told you so. We told you so. WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This b.s. has been going on so long, I don't know why on earth anyone doesn't get it.

Can't wait for the merger!! It will benifet both pilot groups immensley in many ways. Uncle Phil and our Buddy loose the ammo in their gun if we are one group.

Bingo!!

 

[cjcpilot]

Not that I would be sorry to see ALPA here, but I can't help pointing out how American this process became: They couldn't get what they wanted through a fair vote, so they use the legal system to go through the back door and impose their will. How Democratic of them.

 

[PCL_128]

Not that I would be sorry to see ALPA here, but I can't help pointing out how American this process became: They couldn't get what they wanted through a fair vote, so they use the legal system to go through the back door and impose their will. How Democratic of them.

How exactly is their legally binding contract a "back door?" They have a contract that's been in place since 1999, and they are simply enforcing it. This grievance has absolutely nothing to do with the representational vote that failed at Colgan. In fact, this grievance was filed before that vote even took place.

 

[BirdCatcher]

Not that I would be sorry to see ALPA here, but I can't help pointing out how American this process became: They couldn't get what they wanted through a fair vote, so they use the legal system to go through the back door and impose their will. How Democratic of them.

Back door? Arbitrator rules that Pinnacle violated their contract with it's pilots and you blame the pilots? Howabout Pinnacle management violating it's agreement with it's employees? Colgan pilots are just in the middle of it.

Pinnacle ALPA went to bat for it's membership, plain and simple.

 

[better up here]

We warned you and told you to get a union. You guys said you didn't need one. I am glad I pay my 2%.

sorry man, i must have missed your email...

doesn't matter now though, my 49.5% will win in the end...

 

[better up here]

Not that I would be sorry to see ALPA here, but I can't help pointing out how American this process became: They couldn't get what they wanted through a fair vote, so they use the legal system to go through the back door and impose their will. How Democratic of them.

dude, for real?

 

[V1cutsrfun]

Not that I would be sorry to see ALPA here, but I can't help pointing out how American this process became: They couldn't get what they wanted through a fair vote, so they use the legal system to go through the back door and impose their will. How Democratic of them.

Seriously? If I was a Nun with a ruler...your knuckles would hurt.....


V1

 

[V1cutsrfun]

We no longer are sitting at the craps table... we just up'd the ante...at a whole new game.

Game on!!

V1

 

[Mr Wu]

Don't worry. DB and the CPG will see to it that the PCL guys are stapled to the CJC list.

 

[better up here]

Don't worry. DB and the CPG will see to it that the PCL guys are stapled to the CJC list.

yeah, if they are the ones in charge, it will be on top.

"dang, i must a had it upside down...now what?"

 

[SaturnPilot]

Not that I would be sorry to see ALPA here, but I can't help pointing out how American this process became: They couldn't get what they wanted through a fair vote, so they use the legal system to go through the back door and impose their will. How Democratic of them.

Hate to rain on your parade, but this grievance was not put in place to force representation on you...it was put in place to enforce our scope language. If you don't want to join ALPA, then don't. You don't have to, regardless if you are on the PCL list or the Colgan list or a combined list.

Would you rather continue to be represented by Buddy Casey and his "Colgan Pilot Group"?