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paulsalem said:
Never done it before but you could take off 0-0 under IFR in Part 91

I've done that a couple of times in order to escape from KAUS in the early morning. The fog is about 100-200' thick, and there are unfogged airports (lockhart, smithville, san marcos) near by.

It's scary at rotation, but a rush when you pop out of the fog and see tower cab sitting on top of the layer.
 
Being able to hop into a turboprop with no training required. IE caravan.

I must disagree, that Caravan is the easist airplane to fly that was ever built. No need to go to Flight Safety or any of that other stuff.
 
I just mean hoping into a turboprob and needing no prior instruction on turbine engines, and how to run them.

I just used the caravan b/c you don't need a high alt endorsement

(I figured someone would try to use that as traning on turbine engines)
 
paulsalem said:
Getting your instrument rating with 0 hours of actual insturment flying.

I'll go you one better... Getting hired at an airline with 0 hours of actual instrument.

How about airlines that upgrade people at ATP mins and don't require they have ever flown in ice, t-storms, etc. How's that for fun???
 
Only 5 hours of solo x/c and never going more than 50+ miles away from home base to become certified as a Private Pilot legal to fly fast moving high load airplanes with 5 or more pax anywhere in the country anytime.
 
If you don't break anything, you don't scare nobody or piss somebody off, you don't get caught, or killed, you learned something for the next time.
Oh, and define "Illegal"........A sick Bird.
 
UnstableAviator said:
Special VFR. It has a time and place, but I know we've all heard people getting it when better judgement says otherwise.


In my mind, special VFR is a tool that can be used for very special circumstances, and should only be used when absolutely necessary.

One example: Airport is under a 900 ft ceiling, but that ceiling only extends two milesthen the wx is clear. Pilot is familiar with the area, no significant terrain or obstacles. Good to go, I should say.

Another scenario: Returning from the practice aera wth a student, same wx as the above example.


UnstableAviator said:
Light twins that can't climb on one. I know this is probably most light twins out there, but everytime we takeoff that is a risk that has somehow been deemed acceptable. Charts say you'll get 50'/min or so, but I know the loaded Navajo doesn't stand a chance. Hence the takeoff briefing which includes a prayer for letting the engines run for 2 minutes. I know I've said that prayer before.

I do not think that this is more dangerous than a single, provided the pilot is able to keep control of the aircraft.

You can argue that even if you can't reamain aloft, the other engine gives you a really good glide angle and more landing options, especially if you had some altitude to start with.

The bigger threat is the typically poor airmanship of the average light twin pilot (speaking primarily of non-professionals, of course).

Unless I am much mistaken, more people have been killed by the pilot failing to keep control of a twin that COULD climb on one than have been killed by a controlled crash in a twin that could NOT climb on one.

That said, there is not limit to poor airmanship at the private pilot level. People have managed to die after engine failures in centerline-thrust twins.
 
paulsalem said:
I just mean hoping into a turboprob and needing no prior instruction on turbine engines, and how to run them.

I just used the caravan b/c you don't need a high alt endorsement

(I figured someone would try to use that as traning on turbine engines)
ok...
 
What's this supplemental 121 business? I'm from Canada so we don't have that. The closest that I can think of that we have is extended charter.


--Bongo
 
Ain't that the truth...

TurboS7 said:
Supplemental International Part 121-Totally unsafe but legal

Pt.91 positioning flights that significantly exceed 12 hrs...
 
EagleRJ said:
The unofficial "Charted Visual" to Runway 17 at KSPS.

Oh, memories of the hong kong curve, a pretty steep turn, low and on short final for 17, to keep from overflying the ENJJPT ramp and the other runways.
 
Denizen said:
Peeing on an electric fence..legal(unless the farmer catches you) but something that would most likely sting.


Funny you mention that, I did it several times and nothing happened, wives tale. It won't travel up moving streams I guess, or it had gaps in the flow, either way I used to do it all the time on the farm when city boys were around and pretend like I was getting shocked and took it, then I would say it was there turn, no takers, stange huh?
 
Bongo said:
What's this supplemental 121 business? I'm from Canada so we don't have that. The closest that I can think of that we have is extended charter.
--Bongo

Bongo, a supplemental carrier is one flying cargo, or unscheduled passenger service. If that carrier is operating internationally with a 3 man crew, the duty rules are *very* permissive. About the only short term limit on flight time is that you may only fly 12 hours of flight time in 24 hours ... no limit on duty time. Now this is bad enough if you are flying a 747 across the ocean on autopilot in the flight levels, but it gets worse. For whatever reason, Supplememtal 121 flights within the State of Alaska are considered international. Why, is not clear to me. Ceratinly from a fatigue standpoint, there is no significant difference between flying from Anchorage to Nome and flying from Boston to Washington DC. Anyway, the upshot is that it is perfectly legal to schedule a crew for a 18+ hour duty day, flying 11.5 hours of 1 hour legs flying numerous approaches in crappy weather. and you could legally do that 2 days in a row, as long as the crew had 16 hours of rest before the next flight assignment. legal, but perhaps not terribly safe.
 
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Couple more...

VFR "over the top" in a single engine.

Night time visual approaches on dark, cloudy, featureless nights.

I disagree with EagleRJ (which is actually pretty uncommon in *this* forum) about 121 ops into uncontrolled fields.

Just my personal bias. I'm sure some people have absolutely no problem with a visual approach that's as dark as a coal miner's colon.
 
mar said:
I disagree with EagleRJ (which is actually pretty uncommon in *this* forum) about 121 ops into uncontrolled fields.


If it's a quiet airport, I don't have any problem. When it's a hornet's nest of student pilots in the pattern, weekend warriors not using the radio, instructors flying the wrong way on a practice approach, and limited or no radar traffic advisories, it's not a place an airliner belongs.
 

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