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ERJ-140 said:
And if you are so good at "Basic Radar Techniques" Dangerkitty, pray tell how you could miss spotting a Level 4 with any radar? Was the radar inop? The point in explaining all of that is...though the techniques may be basic, one would be extremely surprised to see how rarely people use them. Radar training is often given short shrift, and being lazy with radar on an EMB can get you in trouble more so than an airplane with a "more precise," "better," or "more powerful" wx radar can. The 737 radar is light years ahead of the EMB radar. I completely agree the EMB radar could be better. It could. It should be. It isn't, though, and we are forced to learn to use what we have.

Again, the EMB radar doesn't suck, it's just different. You have to know how to use it.

ERJ-140,

I have tried to tell you a million times but I will go through it one more time.
Back in 1998-1999 when I was flying the EMB-145 we had major major major problems with the radar. It wasn't just me, it was all of Continental Express Airlines. Since Continental Express was the launch customer for this POS airplane you love so much Honeywell, Embraer, and COEX all got together to come up with a fix for the radar problem. We tried everything known to man to get this thing to work and we still had problems. When I left COEX to go to a major the problems had yet to be resolved. Being that COEX was/is an airline that is in the business to fly passengers and make money they would just put a band-aid on the problem in hopes that it would go away. To my knowledge, it never did.

Let me state this again. When I left Continental Express Airlines there were major problems with the radar. So much so that our VP of Flight Ops made a special voicemail to the pilots about it. We had about 1800 pilots when I left COEX. I dont think he would do it for that many pilots unless we were having major issues with it.

Furthermore, your "radar shadows" theory is absolute bunk. A radar shadow is a radar shadow. You can't pull shadows out of precip. IT CAN'T BE DONE!
A shadow is something you avoid at all costs becuase the precip is so strong that the radar can't give you information of whats on the other side. All the AUTO tilts, AUTO gains, manual gains, and moving the radar up and down will do nothing if the precip is that strong. It wont be able to see anything on the other side.

ERJ-140: My experience speaks for itself.

I flew for COEX for 3 and 1/2 years and flew the EMB-145 for over 2.
I was hired by two major airlines:
American Airlines and Delta Airlines
I have since been flying a Lear 60 after furlough and am in the process of getting typed in a bigger aircraft for a new company.
I am typed in 5 airplanes and about to be typed in a 6th.

I have been through countless classes on radar. The American Airlines radar class is probably the best I have ever been in and I have attended that class over 5 times.

I think I have just a little clue as to what I am talking about.

On the other hand you state you are typed in the B-737. When asked very simple questions about the aircraft you dodge the question and dont even answer. That is why you have no credibility here. Every other day you are caught in a new lie.

Why dont you tell us about your B-737 type. Where were you typed and what do you know about the B-737?

The ball is in you court.
 
bigD, you da man!

Now do we get to look forward to another 1000 posts bashing the mighty WSCoD?

If so, ERJ-140, your profile states you've flown the Citation. Which one?
 
Dangerkitty said:
ERJ-140,

I have tried to tell you a million times but I will go through it one more time.
Back in 1998-1999 when I was flying the EMB-145 we had major major major problems with the radar. It wasn't just me, it was all of Continental Express Airlines. Since Continental Express was the launch customer for this POS airplane you love so much Honeywell, Embraer, and COEX all got together to come up with a fix for the radar problem. We tried everything known to man to get this thing to work and we still had problems. When I left COEX to go to a major the problems had yet to be resolved. Being that COEX was/is an airline that is in the business to fly passengers and make money they would just put a band-aid on the problem in hopes that it would go away. To my knowledge, it never did.
...

Furthermore, your "radar shadows" theory is absolute bunk. A radar shadow is a radar shadow. You can't pull shadows out of precip. IT CAN'T BE DONE!

...



On the other hand you state you are typed in the B-737. When asked very simple questions about the aircraft you dodge the question and dont even answer. That is why you have no credibility here. Every other day you are caught in a new lie.

Why dont you tell us about your B-737 type. Where were you typed and what do you know about the B-737?

I have no reason, desire, or obligation to divulge my knowledge or lack thereof regarding the B-737. I can only tell you that I am typed in it and grew up around it most of my life (my old man had over 25,000 hours in them over 30+ years of flying the type). This thread is about the Legacy, not the 737. When I have 1000 hours in the 737 I'll be glad to talk about it in another thread. I am woefully unqualified to discuss an airplane I am barely beginning to learn. Just because one is typed doesn't mean a thing.

Now in ERJs, on the other hand, I have almost 4,000 hours and over four years experience (135, 140, 145 - with more than 1000 as a PIC) and feel perfectly qualified to discuss it.

As for the shadow theory...perhaps we are talking at cross purposes. Are you trying to tell me that I cannot use the gain to pick a cell out of ground clutter, background noise, or precip by dialing it down? Are you telling me I cannot, for lack of a better term, "burn through" attenuation at a lower gain by dialing the gain up higher?

When did you last fly the ERJ and use the radar? Do you believe things have changed since then? Were you an expert wx radar man when you flew the ERJ? It sounds to me like you haven't flown it since 2001 and that you are "back dating" some of your since-acquired knowledge to your time on the ERJ.

Every carrier has had problems with the ERJ radar, not just COEX. It has certainly been a topic of discussion and consternation. But I can tell you from firsthand experience that more than 90% of the EMB's radar problems are operator-induced.

This is not an attack on you, so please, lighten up. The radar could use improvement, I wholeheartedly agree. But let's at least distribute (or try to distribute) the blame where it properly lies. Frankly it isn't all the equipment.
 
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I flew that POS with Dangerkitty and Bad-Andy. The radar is an absolute worthless, useless piece of crap.

It didn't matter what you did with the gain or tilt. It simply doesn't paint anything, even level 4's, until you are right in it.


That's the fact Jack!!
 
bayoubandit said:
I flew that POS with Dangerkitty and Bad-Andy. The radar is an absolute worthless, useless piece of crap.

It didn't matter what you did with the gain or tilt. It simply doesn't paint anything, even level 4's, until you are right in it.


That's the fact Jack!!

I would not push it that far, you can paint some stuff, but when you are in it or in terrain, it becomes worthless.
 

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