Legacy Bashfest - Bring it on!

[banned username 2]

This thread is a waste of time.

Uh, YOU started the thread!!!

You have never even seen a Legacy

Uh, yes, I have seen a Legacy... At Swift Aviation in PHX... For being such a "success" as you claim, I sure don't see many out there, since the only place I have seen one is in PHX at the "dealer"...

You are ignorant of even the most basic facts pertaining to the airplane.

And yet you have not brought one ounce of fact to this discussion, except your own opinion on how the airplane "beats the book all the way around"

You use complaints about the first five Legacy production models (all well-known, documented, and corrected over the course of the forty-plus Legacys built since) to denegrate the airplane.

If it looks like a pig, smells like a pig and acts like a pig, when then it probably is a WSCofD...

You proceed from false pretenses and assumptions.

No, pretty much you are the only one here who spouts off numbers and other figures but have nothing to back them up with (even the manufactures own web site contradicts what you have to say)

Once again, you have said a whole lot of nothing...

 

[ERJ-140]

You are so ignorant it is laughable!!!!

1) I ask you yet again, "Where has the manufacturer disputed me?". Your non-answer is answer enough.

2) Swift is not a "dealer" they are a Service Center. They do not sell Legacys any more - they sold all of thier alotted deliveries.. The Legacys there are in for routine mx or overnighting on a revenue flight.

3) This thread is worthless because you can't stick to the issues. When you do...it is a total joke! You don't even know something so simple as what the jets in PHX are there for! They're on a ramp so they must suck. Utterly ridiculous.

4) Haven't seen any Legacys anywhere? Funny. I saw three in Vegas day before yesterday, two in KMMU and one in KVNY today and yesterday. Obviously you are blind.

5) I walked onto the one in KVNY and walked onto a G-IV parked next to it. They were indistinguishable on the inside (read: NICE!). The Legacy is SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[501261]

You are so ignorant it is laughable!!!!

1) I ask you yet again, "Where has the manufacturer disputed me?". Your non-answer is answer enough.

2) Swift is not a "dealer" they are a Service Center. They do not sell Legacys any more - they sold all of there alotted deliveries.. The Legacys there are in for routine mx or overnighting on a revenue flight.

3) This thread is worthless because you can't stick to the issues. When you do...it is a total joke! You don't even know something so simple as what the jets in PHX are there for! They're on a ramp so they must suck. Utterly ridiculous.

3) Haven't seen any Legacys anywhere? Funny. I saw three in Vegas day before yesterday, two in KMMU and one in KVNY today and yesterday. Obviously you are blind.

4) I walked onto the one in KVNY and walked onto a G-IV parked next to it. They were indistinguishable on the inside (read: NICE!). The Legacy is SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!

Am I the only one here who thinks that WSCoDriver is somehow related to Baghdad Bob?

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

 

[ERJ-140]

Stick to the issues 50261 / 90210.

You want facts? I just gave them to you. Focus focus focus. I am not the propogandist here. I am telling it like it is. Consider me "fair and balanced" with apologies to Fox News Channel.

Virtuallt all of the people who write about the plane have praised it. I trust them over anonymous experts like FC who don't even get the most basic facts right. How u can take these people seriously is beyond me.

 

[FracCapt]

Oh yeah, the first give that came online at FLOPS were Configuration "A" and they are now building configuration "D" now. The plane has quite obviously changed since the first production version.

I have flown owners that REFUSE to fly on the Legacy. They say the thing shakes and rattles like nothing they've ever seen. I rode in the back of one once....I was impressed by the cabin, but not by the aircraft itself.

 

[O-Line]

Swift is not a "dealer" they are a Service Center. They do not sell Legacys any more - they sold all of there alotted deliveries.. The Legacys there are in for routine mx or overnighting on a revenue flight

Why don't you ask Swift's service managers how good Embraer's product support is? Seems that a 15 day "C" check (or whatever Embraer calls it's 1200 hour inspection) turned into a 6 week nightmare on one of the first Legacy's that underwent that check.

 

[ERJ-140]

Perhaps on one of the first. What do you expect? They were probably learning how to do it.

When you are at the Swift FBO talk to a guy named Troy, the mx boss there and ask him. He spent about twenty minutes chatting with me about the plane and he wasn't bashing on it one bit.

See this is the intellectually dishonest mistake you people keep making. The first time through on something new, be it a new plane or new procedure, is going to have teething problems. What do you expect.

I am sitting here in KLAS right now with the Legacy prototype and serial number 730 sitting side by side. I asked the crews for permission to take pictures. I found tons of differences between the planes. The prototype, now on the FLOPS certificate, is 2000 lbs heavier than s/n 730, has P instead of E engines, and carries less fuel. The planes are dramatically different and I now pics to prove it.

 

[ERJ-140]

Drat. Forgot to take pictures of the most obvious difference - the windshield wipers.

Oh well...

 

[ERJ-140]

I have flown owners that REFUSE to fly on the Legacy. They say the thing shakes and rattles like nothing they've ever seen. I rode in the back of one once....I was impressed by the cabin, but not by the aircraft itself.

The early ones may have because the interiors were not up to snuff, but the crew on S/N 730 said the airplane doesn't shake or rattle (at least no more so than any other jet they've flown).

 

[FracCapt]

The early ones may have because the interiors were not up to snuff, but the crew on S/N 730 said the airplane doesn't shake or rattle (at least no more so than any other jet they've flown).

What tail number was it? You took pics, so you should know. Who was the crew? Tell me who they are, and I can call and verify.

 

[ERJ-140]

You don't need to call and verify. The pics will prove it soon.

Look up the serial number for the N no. (S/N 730 - N730_ _) was one. Captain first names began with J and B (bald guy with mustache, dead ringer for G. Gordon Liddy). I will not post their identities here. Partial N # on the other but it was the former PT-SAB or at least had the exact same paint scheme (N9???? - N962?? I am close - the bag door was open so the N # was _partially_ obscured but I would not post its N # here any way - S/N I believe was 412). Female Captain with one of those short little female "bow" like ties not the "male" tie. (She freaked out about me taking pictures at first because I got permission from the F/O and she didn't know, but she was cool with it when I explained what I was doing.) Don't recall their names and wouldn't tell you if I did.

F/O said the N9_ _ _ _ bird weighed over 31000 lbs. BOW with A1P engines. Captain on 730 said they were 29500 lbs BOW with A1E engines.

 

[ERJ-140]

Besides, why should I give you information on who was there? If you want it that badly (dunno why you care), you PM me who *you* are and work for and we'll talk about determining who was where. If you work for the same company as either airplane (you should know right?) Then I will divulge info.
Not before.

I am not naming names indiscriminately that is for sure.

 

[banned username 2]

Am I the only one here who thinks that WSCoDriver is somehow related to Baghdad Bob?

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

Now that, THAT is funny! And very true!

So let's review...

ERJ-140 = LegacyIIDriver = LegacyDriver = vracui = Legacy390 = Skull-One = Baghdad Bob!!!

This guy has more identities!!! And still no life!!!

I guess that's why you don't see Baghdad Bob anymore, cuz he was "wrongfully terminated"!!! Either that, or he is too embarassed to show his face anymore since he is now stuck flying a WSCofD!

Glad you took all those pictures, they sure came in handy here!

 

[AA717driver]

E140--If you're going to talk performance, we need to go back to one of the first dozen pages or so in this thread. That's where all the pertinent issues were discussed. The rest of this thread is just thumping the Legacy proponents out there.

Have a good one.TC

 

[ERJ-140]

EMB-140= ...

I noticed you called one of us "EMB-140". Since you are such an obvious expert on Embraer products (NOT!) you should already know why that is wrong. It is "ERJ-140", not "EMB-140". See, the 140 is actually an EMB-135KL. But you knew that, right? I didn't think so

 

[Dangerkitty]

I noticed you called one of us "EMB-140". Since you are such an obvious expert on Embraer products (NOT!) you should already know why that is wrong. It is "ERJ-140", not "EMB-140". See, the 140 is actually an EMB-135KL. But you knew that, right? I didn't think so

ERJ-140,

I think I speak for the entire flightinfo family when I ask you to please STFU! We are all so happy that you like your little WSCoD. Now go play in someone else's sandbox.

And for what it is worth I have over 1500 hours in the WSCoD. You might say hey you only flew the EMB-145. Same difference. Every Embraer product is a POS in my opinion. This is coming from a guy that has flown both the EMB-120, EMB-135 and EMB-145. They all suck!!

 

[2000flyer]

ERJ-140 et al,

I have never seen someone who likes to get called to the carpet on nearly every post. And to think that an identity change will somehow increase ones credibility is laughable. It's like the little kid that gets beat up daily but goes back the next day for more.

Man, you love the WSCoD. More power to you. I love my teeth but that doesn't mean I enjoy going to the dentist!

In the abuse department, you're what we call a SURE BET!!!

 

[G100driver]

800? Anyone .... Buller.

 

[banned username 2]

800? Anyone .... Buller.

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[banned username 2]

My question to ERJ-140 (a.k.a. LegacyIIDriver, LegacyDriver, Legacy390, vraciu, Skull-One, BahgdadBob) if the WSCofD is such a great machine to fly, why are you trying to get on at Southwest???













Was that a pin I heard drop???