Lee Moak and DAL Execs are gonna screw us again..Beware!

[at7driver]

would be tough but, why not staple all DCI's onto the bottom of the DL list and solve the problem of outsourcing for good.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

would be tough but, why not staple all DCI's onto the bottom of the DL list and solve the problem of outsourcing for good.

Because that makes too much sense:erm:

 

[callowayhd]

would be tough but, why not staple all DCI's onto the bottom of the DL list and solve the problem of outsourcing for good.

I dont think everyone at a DCI carrier wants that.

Imagine having spent 15 or more years at a regional and are in the top 10 percent. You make comfortable money and have all the days off you want. Now go back to 1st year pay and commute to reserve. All while you should be spending as much time as you can with your kids.

Look at mesaba at the top 150 pilots bypassed the flow

 

[Superpilot92]

I dont think everyone at a DCI carrier wants that.

Imagine having spent 15 or more years at a regional and are in the top 10 percent. You make comfortable money and have all the days off you want. Now go back to 1st year pay and commute to reserve. All while you should be spending as much time as you can with your kids.

Look at mesaba at the top 150 pilots bypassed the flow

easy fix, throw a fence up to protect the regional lifers and their seats on their aircraft.

 

[Ed Harley]

easy fix, throw a fence up to protect the regional lifers and their seats on their aircraft.

You make too much sense Super. Are you going to run for a rep position?

 

[callowayhd]

easy fix, throw a fence up to protect the regional lifers and their seats on their aircraft.

I am all for it! But what about the mainline guys saying that the regionals didnt pay their dues?

again I am all for it, but the point is moot as it will never happen

 

[FUZZO]

Sounds like the calls and emails are getting them nervous, hit a little to close to home on this one. When you talk to your reps or Mr. Moak himself, ask him what his stance is on scope---believe me Moak is here for himself.

 

[Superpilot92]

You make too much sense Super. Are you going to run for a rep position?

maybe someday....:nuts:

 

[PCL_128]

I'd go for it if they agree to stop flying the 100-seater at CPS the day they can get their hands on the c-series, no furloughs until that same date, bring back C2K payrates, and up the DC amount to 20%. If we got some good lawyers to put that in writing so they had no way out of it, I might take the chances of letting CPS fly them for a few years.

I know this has been confirmed as a rumor, but don't even think about it even with the above conditions. Once the airplanes are on another property, you're never getting them back, no matter how good your language is. The company will violate the language requiring the transfer back to mainline, you'll take it arbitration, and there a very good chance that the arbitrator will side with the company's argument that they just can't afford to transfer the airplanes back to mainline. The arbitrator will "split the baby" and require the company to pay a small penalty for their sins, but the airplanes will never come back.

Once an airplane is gone, it's gone for good. Don't fall for it.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Stop it now

 

[lookin4better]

I know this has been confirmed as a rumor, but don't even think about it even with the above conditions. Once the airplanes are on another property, you're never getting them back, no matter how good your language is. The company will violate the language requiring the transfer back to mainline, you'll take it arbitration, and there a very good chance that the arbitrator will side with the company's argument that they just can't afford to transfer the airplanes back to mainline. The arbitrator will "split the baby" and require the company to pay a small penalty for their sins, but the airplanes will never come back.

Once an airplane is gone, it's gone for good. Don't fall for it.

WELL said and VERY true! I do not want to tell a pilot group how to behave, but its imperative they get those planes at mainline, even at a lower pay scale than desired..... on the property first then fix the pay. It wil be jobs in the right place instead of more contract work to a regional.

 

[filejw]

WELL said and VERY true! I do not want to tell a pilot group how to behave, but its imperative they get those planes at mainline, even at a lower pay scale than desired..... on the property first then fix the pay. It wil be jobs in the right place instead of more contract work to a regional.

NO need just stick to the contract. 12 yrs EMB-195 is 115.90$....EMB -190 OR CRB -900 ..98.80

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Hello Pot, I'd like you to meet my friend Kettle.

Oh great, Compass flying the 195..that's all we need. Another ego booster for the already puffed up Compass pilots. Stop this crap now!

Yeah, we're sooooo puffed up at our 36 airplane, run of the mill, regional airline. FWIW, I think most of us (puffed up Compass pilots) would be opposed to flying 190/195s. We'd rather see them at mainline.

As for you Mr. Seven, let's take a quick trip down puffed up regional pilot lane, shall we?

Let's turn the clock back a year to late October 2008.

...Also, the American Eagle rumor is again surfacing. Training Department being told to hire at least 2-3 more instructors for the Saab, as Mesaba is looking to get at least some of American Eagle's SF340's.

All new airplanes to be operated out of ATL. The new ATL base to be as large as the DTW base ASAP.
The New Premier Regional Carrier for the New Delta .

In any case, I don't think you'll find me on here tooting my horn with such vigor.

Bold red text courtesy of the original poster.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Delta Pilots...don't screw it up like you did w/ the 50 seater jets...right a wrong and take a stand... 70+ seaters or more are MAINLINE PLANES PERIOD!!

 

[Sedona16]

I dont think everyone at a DCI carrier wants that.

Imagine having spent 15 or more years at a regional and are in the top 10 percent. You make comfortable money and have all the days off you want. Now go back to 1st year pay and commute to reserve. All while you should be spending as much time as you can with your kids.

Look at mesaba at the top 150 pilots bypassed the flow

I suspect if fence was used to protect a senior guy stapled to the Delta list even he would at some place punch out of his protected position to spend a few years in the right seat of a heavy before he retires just to see what its like.

 

[Muskycat]

I have never understood why everybody thinks that a flow through from DCI to mainline is worth it.
How many people would that be??? 10,000?? Why would anybody want to be 10,000 numbers out waiting for a major?

 

[nwaf16dude]

If Delta needs a 100 seat temp fill-in aircraft until the C-series is ready, they have plenty of them sitting in the desert, bought and paid for already.

 

[michael707767]

Our 44 Chair stated he had not heard that, and that it was political suicide for ALPA if they did it as the pilot do not want that. To me it appears they get it. If they act differently, then they are going against their own words.

When the company wanted 76 seaters in the BK contract, all four of the then ATL reps said they would vote no to any TA that had an RJ bigger than 70 seats. All four subsequently voted yes to the 76 seaters. DALPA reps keeping their word has a bad history.

 

[Data]

When the company wanted 76 seaters in the BK contract, all four of the then ATL reps said they would vote no to any TA that had an RJ bigger than 70 seats. All four subsequently voted yes to the 76 seaters. DALPA reps keeping their word has a bad history.

Hey, don't forget The General. He said he would never vote for relaxed scope either. And then he voted Yes.

 

[Quack]

The Republic/Frontier buyout was only the tip of the iceberg. Execs are looking at that thinking, well if Repubic can do it with frontier, why can't we get the rest of them to do it! DALPA obviously needs to address the issue NOW, not 3 months or a year from now...NOW! The union already screwed the pooch pushing compass out of the group, and now its starting to come full circle. Moak knows mgmt's wishes and wants and to think he's acting any different than mgmt is just being naive. No one at compass wants these aircraft especially when it comes at the cost of mainline jobs. There was an easy way to prevent this from happening and that would've been to place the cpz people at the bottom, or at least keep the compass people within the Delta MEC. MGMT realizes that it would take...oh all of 3 days of difference training to get EVERY compass pilot up to speed on the 190? This should scare the pants off Moak, yet it seems as if he's embracing it.