Lee Moak and DAL Execs are gonna screw us again..Beware!

[Muskycat]

I have never understood why everybody thinks that a flow through from DCI to mainline is worth it.
How many people would that be??? 10,000?? Why would anybody want to be 10,000 numbers out waiting for a major?

 

[nwaf16dude]

If Delta needs a 100 seat temp fill-in aircraft until the C-series is ready, they have plenty of them sitting in the desert, bought and paid for already.

 

[michael707767]

Our 44 Chair stated he had not heard that, and that it was political suicide for ALPA if they did it as the pilot do not want that. To me it appears they get it. If they act differently, then they are going against their own words.

When the company wanted 76 seaters in the BK contract, all four of the then ATL reps said they would vote no to any TA that had an RJ bigger than 70 seats. All four subsequently voted yes to the 76 seaters. DALPA reps keeping their word has a bad history.

 

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When the company wanted 76 seaters in the BK contract, all four of the then ATL reps said they would vote no to any TA that had an RJ bigger than 70 seats. All four subsequently voted yes to the 76 seaters. DALPA reps keeping their word has a bad history.

Hey, don't forget The General. He said he would never vote for relaxed scope either. And then he voted Yes.

 

[Quack]

The Republic/Frontier buyout was only the tip of the iceberg. Execs are looking at that thinking, well if Repubic can do it with frontier, why can't we get the rest of them to do it! DALPA obviously needs to address the issue NOW, not 3 months or a year from now...NOW! The union already screwed the pooch pushing compass out of the group, and now its starting to come full circle. Moak knows mgmt's wishes and wants and to think he's acting any different than mgmt is just being naive. No one at compass wants these aircraft especially when it comes at the cost of mainline jobs. There was an easy way to prevent this from happening and that would've been to place the cpz people at the bottom, or at least keep the compass people within the Delta MEC. MGMT realizes that it would take...oh all of 3 days of difference training to get EVERY compass pilot up to speed on the 190? This should scare the pants off Moak, yet it seems as if he's embracing it.

 

[andyd]

Is there anyway the newly formed or about to be formed Compass MEC could pass a resolution to keep the 195's off property OR if unable to do that then insist on a payrate of $300 hr for the left seat and 180 for the right? Refuse to fly it until those payrates are met. It is in the CPS pilots best LONG TERM interest that these a/c are at mainline. They are YOUR flow up jobs and if they are placed at CPS, it will be MY furlough job and YOU will be on the street. This is a LOSE/LOSE situation for all involved, with the exception of DAL/CPS management who will no doubt reward themselfs with healthy bonus (paid for by US).

 

[lookin4better]

Andy, I love that idea!!

It IS a lose/lose for Compass to get these airplanes, hopefully that is recognized by all. Why cant their MEC do just that? 190/195's at mainline!

If Delta brings these planes to mainline they will HIRE, if they go to Compass, Delta will furlough AND Compass will furlough. The right answer for both pilot groups seems very easy.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Is there anyway the newly formed or about to be formed Compass MEC could pass a resolution to keep the 195's off property OR if unable to do that then insist on a payrate of $300 hr for the left seat and 180 for the right? Refuse to fly it until those payrates are met. It is in the CPS pilots best LONG TERM interest that these a/c are at mainline. They are YOUR flow up jobs and if they are placed at CPS, it will be MY furlough job and YOU will be on the street. This is a LOSE/LOSE situation for all involved, with the exception of DAL/CPS management who will no doubt reward themselfs with healthy bonus (paid for by US).

I would be floored if they would do that. They are now a pilot group that has a few ppl that want to make it a career, and that goes against doing such.

 

[atpcliff]

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[lookin4better]

I would be floored if they would do that. They are now a pilot group that has a few ppl that want to make it a career, and that goes against doing such.

They want to make Compass a career? really..... really?

 

[SpauldingSmails]

They want to make Compass a career? really..... really?

I think he meant there are few people.

I can count on one hand how many people I think would stay at Compass if offered a slot at Delta or any other major.

 

[waveflyer]

Wow- sounds like a legacy weak-d!ck pilot again. Just so I have this straight- you have an ALPA MEC representing 12,000+ of the best fairly well compensated pilots in the world- and the idea is to pin the responsibility of keeping airframes flying the delta flag off the compass certificate on the 365 Pilots at compass. ?? Seriously? That's the plan? I mean get them on board, but if you think compass will have the leverage- you're ....
Seriously?

If you guys haven't proven it over and over again in the past 15-20 years I'd yell: you can't be this dumb!!!

So instead- now I'll just point out the obvious- that it's dumb to think that any group besides DALPA can lead this - and I'm happy you at least agree that they should be at mainline- I can only hope the stupid stick that keeps beating you over the head.... Stops. Good luck guys- ANY new airplanes with Delta on the tail- should be flown by you. ANY.

 

[Moustache]

Oh great, Compass flying the 195..that's all we need. Another ego booster for the already puffed up Compass pilots. Stop this crap now!

Compass pilots don't want this, and you are an idiot

 

[mynameisjim]

Wow- sounds like a legacy weak-d!ck pilot again. Just so I have this straight- you have an ALPA MEC representing 12,000+ of the best fairly well compensated pilots in the world- and the idea is to pin the responsibility of keeping airframes flying the delta flag off the compass certificate on the 365 Pilots at compass. ?? Seriously? That's the plan? I mean get them on board, but if you think compass will have the leverage- you're ....
Seriously?

If you guys haven't proven it over and over again in the past 15-20 years I'd yell: you can't be this dumb!!!

So instead- now I'll just point out the obvious- that it's dumb to think that any group besides DALPA can lead this - and I'm happy you at least agree that they should be at mainline- I can only hope the stupid stick that keeps beating you over the head.... Stops. Good luck guys- ANY new airplanes with Delta on the tail- should be flown by you. ANY.

I don't agree with your presentation, but I agree with your sentiment.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Wow- sounds like a legacy weak-d!ck pilot again. Just so I have this straight- you have an ALPA MEC representing 12,000+ of the best fairly well compensated pilots in the world- and the idea is to pin the responsibility of keeping airframes flying the delta flag off the compass certificate on the 365 Pilots at compass. ?? Seriously? That's the plan? I mean get them on board, but if you think compass will have the leverage- you're ....
Seriously?

If you guys haven't proven it over and over again in the past 15-20 years I'd yell: you can't be this dumb!!!

So instead- now I'll just point out the obvious- that it's dumb to think that any group besides DALPA can lead this - and I'm happy you at least agree that they should be at mainline- I can only hope the stupid stick that keeps beating you over the head.... Stops. Good luck guys- ANY new airplanes with Delta on the tail- should be flown by you. ANY.

If DALPA didn't have a hint of how angry DL guys get at the idea of this before this week, they do now.

This little rumor caused a massive influx to calls to DALPA with very clearly worded responses.... no more jets, no more seats.