Leaving Delta for Corporate

[MyRadarIsOut]

After looking at the recent posted major airline pay scales I make more as a G550 Captain than a Major airline B777 Captain makes.


I make a lot more than some G-3/4 Captains, (not you of course) and I fly an a junky Excel, but I think we talked about that in KIAD I think! Hows the sking in SLC?

 

[GVFlyer]

Does anybody have any tips about how to get qualified for a goodcorporate job. I've got tons of time, but no small jet types and nocorporate experience.

Thanks

T.

I believe that your thinking reflects that of a lot of current airline pilots. Gulfstream has been receiving resumes from not only legacy carrier pilots, but also has proceeded to the phone interview stage with two former military JetBlue pilots.

GV

 

[HawkDrvr]

that may be what you would rather have but that is unrealistic. would you rather have a 3% raise and no bonus, no options OR 3% raise and 15% bonus and some options? i think ican answer that. I don't think they will give you a choice anyway. i wouldn't thumb my nose at any alternative form of compensation.

banks i have dealt with did care about such things as bonuses and stock options, as long as they have value. just my experience.

I never claimed that statement to be realistic... If we adopted that standard to this board what would we be left with???

 

[Gulfstream 200]

200: i would have to disagree they can be a very important part of total compensation. there are places where you can count on these forms of compensation. they can be very valuable.

OK......thanks.....YES I know they are a very important part of compensation, most of us get them all....and thanks, I know a bonus is valuable!

but you cant tell me you know your bonus is going to be 20K+ every year? Mine has gone from 3K-25K. Most other corp pilots I know (all levels) have the same story....or maybe Im the only guy making less than a 777 Captain at DAL. I must be doing something wrong..

read again. all I was getting at is that corp pilots have funny ways of coming up with thier salaries.

Including stock options (post about 1998) is a very hokey way to come up with a number that makes you fell like you have a bigger pud than a 777 driver.

And a Bank caring about your stock options?? not sure about that one..

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whatever, guess Im underpaid in this crowd - time to update the resume!

 

[Kingairrick]

There are stock options, and then there are aviation stock options...

If I flew for Coke or Home Depot, I would probably count stock options as pretty important. Aviation stocks are so volitile (sp?), I wouldn't count them at all. I have literally hundreds of Delta options I can excercise right now...guess how much I would lose if I did.

 

[semperfido]

OK......thanks.....YES I know they are a very important part of compensation, most of us get them all....and thanks, I know a bonus is valuable!

And a Bank caring about your stock options?? not sure about that one..

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whatever, guess Im underpaid in this crowd - time to update the resume!

Hey....i wasn't being condescending. just trying to be helpful.

It seemed some folks were dis'ing alternative forms of compensation. I was pointing out some basic facts. They are nice to have included in the whole compensation package and many pilots are excluded. For whatever reason.

If an option had value and was exercisable a bank would care because it has value. If it was under water and couldn't be exercised for years then no it wouldn't matter.

 

[AA717driver]

I think QOL is important these days. I'm making about 1/2 what a Delta 777 CA would make with expectations of 3%/year raise and 3% bounus. Pretty paltry compared to some of the numbers here.

But, we don't have to put in face time at the hanger and our additional duties are pretty easy. I didn't have to move somewhere I didn't want to live so QOL stayed on the high side.

These days I think more people are looking at QOL vs. W-2 more than they used to. The grass is always greener on the other side of the ramp. TC

 

[XTW]

I think QOL is important these days.

. I didn't have to move somewhere I didn't want to live so QOL stayed on the high side.

These days I think more people are looking at QOL vs. W-2 more than they used to. TC

TC,

It just takes some people longer than others to realize this.

XTW

 

[DBCOOPER]

Sorry Yaaak, but your rant was just unbelievably too long. I lost interest before the first paragraph came to an illogical end. You have to lighten up man, you're going to lose your medical due to high blood pressure. I do get a good laugh out of guys like you though - The "know it all" type that thinks his opinion is the only way of the world. Don't bother responding to this post, I'm finished with you.

 

[av8tortype]

Sorry Yaaak, but your rant was just unbelievably too long. I lost interest before the first paragraph came to an illogical end. You have to lighten up man, you're going to lose your medical due to high blood pressure. I do get a good laugh out of guys like you though - The "know it all" type that thinks his opinion is the only way of the world. Don't bother responding to this post, I'm finished with you.

Ex-United, Ex-Aloha, what's n-EX-t for you loser?

 

[DBCOOPER]

Seeing as how I'm not ex-either, your post makes 100% no sense. I think we all know who the loser IZ

 

[CatYaaak]

Sorry Yaaak, but your rant was just unbelievably too long. I lost interest before the first paragraph came to an illogical end. You have to lighten up man, you're going to lose your medical due to high blood pressure. I do get a good laugh out of guys like you though - The "know it all" type that thinks his opinion is the only way of the world. Don't bother responding to this post, I'm finished with you.

Well there's your problem; You post tripe on a public board, put words in people's mouths, make accusations, veer-off into tangental Straw Man Land, and then whine when it's responded to point by point. Say, when you "finished with me", did you stamp your foot too? Temper tantrums may have worked on your parents a couple years ago, but not with me.

Nobody knows it all, me included, but I do hold an opinion on pilots whoring themselves in corporate aviation, or companies that expect it. I've made it clear what I mean by that, and why, based on quite a few years in the industry from both a pilot's and manager's perspective. Others may hold a different view, and I'll consider any reasonable counterpoint, but the nerve my opinion struck with you is obviously personal, because I have yet to see you exhibit any Reason.

Hmmm. Maybe you're trying to peddle...or peddled...that right-seat NG time into warming a BBJ seat for 20K/year? That would explain it.

Thanks for your concern over my blood pressure, but it's well below normal, thank you. Laughter is the best medicine, and your joke-of-a-posts add to it.

 

[CatYaaak]

Seeing as how I'm not ex-either, your post makes 100% no sense. I think we all know who the loser IZ

Well, perhaps not ex-Aloha yet, but you are an Aloha pilot, and you've spent enough time bashing your current employer and lording your vast experience (what is it, 3 years mainland-flying to include...gasp...the NE, snow, and gee whiz busy airports? really? how unique!) over half the VFR "island-only mom and pop" pilots in your pilot group on these threads to make it seem like you'd hold a smug "I told you so" attitude even if they do tank.

No doubt, those couple years in the BE-1900 and JS-4100, combined with daddy being a US Air Pilot make you an expert, and I'm sure you're the joy to be in a cockpit with over there! Man, if you ever read what you've written....just click on your avatar name and look up your old posts as anyone can do here. It's all there, your attitude.. loud and clear..

Don't wish for tanking though, because you were correct when you complained elsewhere that with only 400 PIC Part 121 hours and those all in Tprops, even AirTran isn't going to call (Air Tran thread). I know, I know... you make it clear that you think they (and others like them like FedEx, SWA, the others who don't count heavily that year or so of right seat time in the -700) are stupid....just as stupid as the "know nothing" Captains you fly with and will plop one into the Potomac a la Air Florida (see AQ to DCA thread), or the "know it alls" you disagree with.

With you, it's pretty much one or the other, and a constant theme in your posts, that old "you're obviously a disgruntled pilot", or "you didn't take the same road" accusation (see ASA, Netjets threads). Malcontents are always such good judges of character...and never the "know it all' themselves, right? My offer; if you can't afford a mirror, I'll send you some money for one.

Sorry DB, just can't figure out why you think you're opinion...especially when you write things like "$100,000 year looks excessive for flying a small bizjet" (see NetJets thread)...matters that much when you've never spent a day along your BE-1900/JS-4100/B-737 airline road actually working in corporate aviation, and when you even mistake fractional flying for corporate (see same thread).

Given your nature to act like cock-of-the-walk when it comes to details of flying when you think your audience is VFR airline island-hoppers, and propensity to cite in detail your experiences on those threads to act like the Big Man, it's not suprising you don't get into those here. Instead of addressing the issue at hand, you can only resort to the same lame personality accusations you also try there...cuz you have nothing else. Nada No wonder you beat feet outta here.