Leaving Delta for Corporate

[Spooky 1]

The Delta B777 Capts. may be making 250,000 at the moment but it sure looks like the new UAL contract will be closer to the industry standard in the future. With a 2.2 billion loss just in the last quarter there is a message that tougher times are ahead for this pilot group. I wish them luck but things seem to be spiraling out of control over there and the final act is probably yet to come before we see if Delta is a long term player in this busines.

If I were (still) a Delta pilot I would explore all of the opportunities that may be out there regardless of where I might think I would be in my most senior years. I bailed out early a little over four years ago with a seniority number less than 20 and a nice left seat in a shiny new 777 and have never looked back since.

 

[semperfido]

After looking at the recent posted major airline pay scales I make more as a G550 Captain than a Major airline B777 Captain makes.

definitely not the norm

 

[cgmason1]

G550Driver
Thought you were going to NJI? (due to location, no schedule-and other issues that come with flying corp and Part 135)

Fly Safe
Chuck

 

[Spooky 1]

definitely not the norm

I think it was Mark Twain that said something like, "many folks have a good aim in life, but most don't know when to pull the trigger". That sort of fits my career progression throughout my life. No regrets.

 

[AA717driver]

From airlinepilotpay.com, the average per hour pay on the 777 from AA, DL, CAL and UA is $197.00/hr. This is without international override and no per diem.

For a 75 hour month x 12= $177,525.

It's certainly possible to make that in a GV with bonuses.

And laying over somewhere for more than 24 hours is certainly attractive.TC

 

[Spooky 1]

From airlinepilotpay.com, the average per hour pay on the 777 from AA, DL, CAL and UA is $197.00/hr. This is without international override and no per diem.

For a 75 hour month x 12= $177,525.

It's certainly possible to make that in a GV with bonuses.

And laying over somewhere for more than 24 hours is certainly attractive.TC

No question about the fact that the right GV/G1V/GEX job can equal or exceed some of these numbers at the airlines. I think the Intl overrides have been eliminated in most of these new draconian airline contracts. The day/night differentials are in simaliar decline. Also most of the caps have risen to something more like 85 to 90 hours. Don't know much about duty rigs and where they have gone to but it can be hard to fly 85 hours a month unless you are really sharp shooting the schedules and especially with month end overlaps. Seniority still rules although I am sure that you could get an argument on that as well.

It will be intersting to look back, say ten years from now and see if the trickle down effect has impacted the corporate salaries just as they have done in the good times for the airlines. Hopefully there will be minimal if any reductions in salaries based upon airline misfortunes. However, since some companies, including the one I work for, now go on the outside to source consultants regarding compensation values. You can never tell were something like this may lead since you have little control over the outcome and imput to the equation.

As for per diem, I don't think I have ever had a trip that I didn't spend more than the per diem covered. Even in the good times it was hard to have a great layover without spending more than came in for the trip.

 

[G550Driver]

Including Christmas bonus, stock options, yearly bonus and base pay I'll put my numbers up against a B777 guy.

CGMASON1-After exploring my options I found out that I didn't want to move anywhere. I like this Part 91 Gig. I'll buy and airline ticket for my kids to see Grandma and Grandpa more often.

 

[semperfido]

Including Christmas bonus, stock options, yearly bonus and base pay I'll put my numbers up against a B777

I know quite a few g4,g5,g550 pilots and the majority don't get 175k a year. The norm is more like 130k-150k. with all the nicities. I stand by what I said. 170+ would not be the norm.

 

[GVFlyer]

From airlinepilotpay.com, the average per hour pay on the 777 from AA, DL, CAL and UA is $197.00/hr. This is without international override and no per diem.

For a 75 hour month x 12= $177,525.

It's certainly possible to make that in a GV with bonuses.

It is more than possible to make that in a GV before the incentive bonuses, stock options, executive savings plans, and discount stock offerings that all the major players offer in their compensation packages.

GV

 

[semperfido]

It is more than possible to make that in a GV before the incentive bonuses, stock options, executive savings plans, and discount stock offerings that all the major players offer in their compensation packages.

GV

it is possible and probable.....but not the norm

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Including Christmas bonus, stock options, yearly bonus and base pay I'll put my numbers up against a B777 guy.

CGMASON1-After exploring my options I found out that I didn't want to move anywhere. I like this Part 91 Gig. I'll buy and airline ticket for my kids to see Grandma and Grandpa more often.

bonus, xmas bonus, stock options are not salary. IMHO, If it isnt GUARANTEED next year its just a possibility. I agree, all thats nice when it comes, but its just that - a bonus...

Next time you go to the grocery ,ask if you can pay with "stock options".......

With the wonderful "stock options" DAL pilots are talking about getting, they can say thier salaries are 500K+ also..

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Again, you are lucky if you are making 170K+ in corporate - and your position is VERY rare. Certainly NOT the norm....

 

[semperfido]

200: i would have to disagree they can be a very important part of total compensation. there are places where you can count on these forms of compensation. they can be very valuable.

 

[cgmason1]

CGMASON1-After exploring my options I found out that I didn't want to move anywhere. I like this Part 91 Gig. I'll buy and airline ticket for my kids to see Grandma and Grandpa more often.[/QUOTE]

Good choice.
I have turned down two 6 figure corp gigs to stay here at JB-hope I made the right one.
Definitily love the job better than the frax stuff.
Time will tell.

A wise man once told me-just do the exact opposite of whatever I advise you and you will have an awesome career.

Fly Safe
Chuck

 

[HawkDrvr]

For what it is worth...

I have to agree with G200, I have yet to have a bank give one squat about my bonus, stock options, etc... A bonus is exactly what it means, a BONUS. You can't count on it. That is why it doesn't help you get a mortgage.

My current bonus plan allows for up to a 20% bonus. I'd rather have a 15% raise and a 5% bonus every year.

 

[semperfido]

For what it is worth...

I have to agree with G200, I have yet to have a bank give one squat about my bonus, stock options, etc... A bonus is exactly what it means, a BONUS. You can't count on it. That is why it doesn't help you get a mortgage.

My current bonus plan allows for up to a 20% bonus. I'd rather have a 15% raise and a 5% bonus every year.

that may be what you would rather have but that is unrealistic. would you rather have a 3% raise and no bonus, no options OR 3% raise and 15% bonus and some options? i think ican answer that. I don't think they will give you a choice anyway. i wouldn't thumb my nose at any alternative form of compensation.

banks i have dealt with did care about such things as bonuses and stock options, as long as they have value. just my experience.