Leave SWA for AA or Delta?

[Ty Webb]

Not to mention paying for that type after I was hired, was more then paid for vs AAI pay. Comparing the two it was paid back in the first month or two. I never wanted to go to the airline that paid regional rates to fly Boeings. Yes GL I realize pay at SWA sucked pre 2001. I didn't work here then. I wouldnt have applied then. Some of you really need to learn what PFT is. It's used as poorly as the term scab. Some of you FATS are dilusional of the financial shape AAI was in. Not to mention the new healthy Delta.

So, you still want to debate this crap, huh?

Someone insults your airline for requiring pilots to have a 737 type and you want to lash out at AirTran pilots, huh?

You really are a horse's ass, aren't you?

I'll put my decision to go to AAI in 2001 against your decision to go to SWA any day. If it wasn't for buying AirTran, most of you 2001 guys would just now be getting your first upgrades, and then sitting reserve for years. . . . I've been a line-holding Captain for 9 years already, while enjoying a 48-minute commute from the beach.

Hey. . . . it looks good on you, Chief. :laugh:

 

[Tripower455]

Not to mention paying for that type after I was hired, was more then paid for vs AAI pay. Comparing the two it was paid back in the first month or two. I never wanted to go to the airline that paid regional rates to fly Boeings. Yes GL I realize pay at SWA sucked pre 2001. I didn't work here then. I wouldnt have applied then. Some of you really need to learn what PFT is. It's used as poorly as the term scab. Some of you FATS are dilusional of the financial shape AAI was in. Not to mention the new healthy Delta.

The irony here is that Valujet actually was a PFT outfit..... As in you had to pay VJ directly, 5 figures for the privilege of yanking gear in a ratty old DC-9, for a bunch of scabs, no less.

 

[vixin]

Yep, but hey don't mention that. AAI was the place to be, it was run well and the pilots where all so happy. Non of them had apps out anywhere.

 

[-9Capt]

The irony here is that Valujet actually was a PFT outfit..... As in you had to pay VJ directly, 5 figures for the privilege of yanking gear in a ratty old DC-9, for a bunch of scabs, no less.

That's why I never worked there.

 

[Tripower455]

That's why I never worked there.

Me either.....

The irony is that SW has never been PFT, and VJ, which became AT, has.

 

[Ty Webb]

Me either.....

The irony is that SW has never been PFT, and VJ, which became AT, has.

Or, you could say the irony is that VJ ended their requirement in 1996, while SWA still maintains theirs.

 

[General Lee]

Or, you could say the irony is that VJ ended their requirement in 1996, while SWA still maintains theirs.

Ty, come on, they just don't see it.... Someone has to pay for their type before they start, either Military, another airline, or out of their own pockets. But, to them, that isn't paying for your training......drug tests all around please!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[-9Capt]

Who paid for your Private?

Instrument?

Mutli engine?

CFI?

4 year degree?

Why isn't requiring a 4 yr degree costing upwards of $100,000 PFT per your ignorant definition if a type is?

You forgot CFII, MEI and ATP.

Flight ratings as well as a bachelors degree are universally accepted as necessary to gain employment in this industry. Requiring new hires to acquire type specific training prior to employment is very much a different thing. That is also universally accepted by pretty much everyone who isn't a SW pilot.

To the rest of you, please go on and tell me how great your SW career has been compared to my lowly existence as an uber senior AT captain living in domicile. I find the comparisons most entertaining and thought provoking.

 

[Tripower455]

Or, you could say the irony is that VJ ended their requirement in 1996, while SWA still maintains theirs.

You could, but there'd be no irony as you'd be comparing apples and oranges.

I work for a company that has been called PFT by the FI brain trust, including a few VJ/AT folks. SW isn't and has never been PFT.

-9 Capt, on the other hand, works for a company that actually has been PFT in the past, so there's the irony.


VJ was the definition of PFT. In order to get hired at VJ, you had to pay VJ 5 figures up front ($10k IIRC) for the privilege of making commuter level wages and dealing with a large number of scabs.

The 737 type rating is a minimum hiring requirement. You can't pay SW for a type, even if you wanted to, just like you can't pay them for your ATP, MEL ratings etc., you just have to have them.

All that said, I think the type is a stupid requirement, almost as stupid (although much cheaper) as requiring a 4 year degree to do this job. But in no stretch of the definition is it PFT.

 

[-9Capt]

-9 Capt, on the other hand, works for a company that actually has been PFT in the past, .

Ya know Delta started out as a crop dusting outfit, so I guess they're nothin but a bunch of AG pilots, right?

Another point you'll probably find interesting, if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

 

[General Lee]

Tripower loves to leave out that if you interview and get hired, and don't have the type, you have to PAY for it yourself. That....is.....pay...for training.... If you don't have a 4 year degree and that is required, then you won't even get the interview. They don't say "thanks for interviewing, now, go get your 4 year degree, see ya in 4 years...."


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Tripower455]

You forgot CFII, MEI and ATP.

Flight ratings as well as a bachelors degree are universally accepted as necessary to gain employment in this industry. Requiring new hires to acquire type specific training prior to employment is very much a different thing. That is also universally accepted by pretty much everyone who isn't a SW pilot.

Yet, it still isn't PFT, as defined by airlines like Comair, Gulfstream, Valuejet etc. Call it what you will, a ridiculous requirement, but it ain't PFT.

To the rest of you, please go on and tell me how great your SW career has been compared to my lowly existence as an uber senior AT captain living in domicile. I find the comparisons most entertaining and thought provoking.

I find it "thought provoking" that you would even compare the 2......

 

[Tripower455]

Tripower loves to leave out that if you interview and get hired, and don't have the type, you have to PAY for it yourself. That....is.....pay...for training....

Who do you pay for that training? SW won't take a dime of your money, besides, anyone that meets the minimum requirements for SW aren't paying for training, they're paying for the type rating to meet that requirement.

If you don't have a 4 year degree and that is required, then you won't even get the interview. They don't say "thanks for interviewing, now, go get your 4 year degree, see ya in 4 years...."


Bye Bye---General Lee

When I got hired, the type was required to even be considered for an interview. Some people were betting $8k on the chance of an interview at SW.

Which is better?

At least now, those hired without the type have a solid job offer before shelling out the money for it.

 

[Tripower455]

Ya know Delta started out as a crop dusting outfit, so I guess they're nothin but a bunch of AG pilots, right?

Another point you'll probably find interesting, if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

None of that changes the fact that SW is not, and has never been, a PFT outfit, like Valuejet was.

 

[General Lee]

Who do you pay for that training? SW won't take a dime of your money, besides, anyone that meets the minimum requirements for SW aren't paying for training, they're paying for the type rating to meet that requirement.



When I got hired, the type was required to even be considered for an interview. Some people were betting $8k on the chance of an interview at SW.

Which is better?

At least now, those hired without the type have a solid job offer before shelling out the money for it.

Don't compare the 4 year degree requirement to the type rating. You can get an interview without the type at SWA, but can't get an interview at all at most airlines without the 4 year degree. It is better that your airline will interview first now, but is it better to have the type first? Is that advantageous? And, you are still paying money down to someone for that class date at your airline. Do you have to pay for anything "extra" for a class at the big 3? Nope. Come on man, it doesn't matter who you are paying, the problem is you HAVE TO PAY SOMEONE...... Don't try to get around that... Just work on getting that deal changed. The AT guys coming over from the 717 should have put that whole thing to a stop...



Bye Bye---General Lee