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You're living in a dream world, my friend. Do you honestly believe that the Bush anti-labor NMB is going to release us if we are demanding SWA+ wages? We'll be lucky to get released in the next couple of years for just demanding DAL wages. The NMB flat-out told the ExpressJet pilots that they would never get released if they didn't back off of their demands for the old CMR+ rates. The Bush NMB doesn't even feel they have to hide their anti-labor bias. As long as there is an anti-labor majority on the NMB, we'll never make the kind of progress that you're looking for. But vote correctly in November, and maybe we can get headed in the right direction.

I hope it's not a dream. But I agree with your sentiment on the NMB. I've been preaching it for a while now, this administration does NOT favor labor. It's beyond me why many of us on this board fail to realize that. I guess many of us cast our votes based on feelings and not our wallets.

On your second point however, XJT battled for a long time against management and the NMB. But in the end their persistance paid off. XJT arguably got one of the best Regional contracts in the industry. Why can't something similar be accomplished at the Major level? My point was merely that a feeling of low expectations among your group, is already a disadvantage before you step up to the plate with management.

You guys have alot more going for you than you give yourself credit for. Not too many pilot groups have removed their whole MECs before. That tells me that atleast some, among your group are very motivated to get a favorable outcome for your pilots. If the majority your pilots participate, vote, volunteer, and back your union, the outcome should be a good one. You shouldn't expect or settle for less.
 
On your second point however, XJT battled for a long time against management and the NMB. But in the end their persistance paid off. XJT arguably got one of the best Regional contracts in the industry. Why can't something similar be accomplished at the Major level?
What happened at XJT is exactly what I'm suggesting that we accomplish. Achieving SWA+1 is impossible with this NMB, just as achieving CMR+1 was impossible for the XJT pilots, but we can achieve something in between as the XJT pilots did. SWA+1 isn't reachable with this NMB, but something between DAL and SWA is. I'm not suggesting that we don't try for SWA+1. Of course we should. But I'm telling you that we'll never get a release from the NMB with those demands.
 
Go to Mesa and you'll upgrade fast. You could be basesd in paradise. Complete and total poverty level income......but at least you'll be surfing.
 
appreciate all the opinions..
its a hard choice.
I'm single. and have never commuted.. and don't plan to.
i moved to Atlanta for AT and would move to where I'm based at UAL too, probably Denver.
Just would be nice to have that crystal ball. See what the future holds for either place.
Be it status quo, or up or down. IF i was a capt. at AT, i wouldn't leave. but as a 737 fo who plans on waiting to upgrade in 737 (prefer longer legs, transcons, and don't want to go thru 717 training just to bid out at 1st opportunity) its a different story. i also miss the world wide non rev benefits of my last airline.
But giving up close to 25% relative seniority to be on the bottom of UAL is a big gamble. They aren't growing, no aircraft on order and looking to merge. i wonder how they are hiring 400 or so pilots in 2008 as it is.
Its a crazy industry, years ago it would have no brainier. now i simply don't know.
thanks for all the replys though.

Basing isn't an issue with you, and DEN has been given to newhires.
If you prefer the longer legs (as do I, which is why SWA was not even considered by me), UAL is your better choice.
You should be able to get a 767 in relatively short order at UAL. In the last vacancy bid, there were quite a few 767s. Certainly MUCH faster than 5 years, assuming that everything remains status quo.

I can't speak on whether or not it'd be better to stay where you're at or move to UAL.
We're going into a recession, so air traffic is likely to decrease. I don't know which would be more effected - United or Airtran.
Is Airtran still getting subsidies from some of the cities they serve? If so, I'd expect that to decrease due to tightening municipal budgets.
Are most Airtran pilots flying max hours? The pilots at United are flying more than they want to, so a decrease in block hours would be considered good for a lot of United pilots.
 
dumb move

This from someone who works at JetBlue? WOW! For the record, I am at UA now as well.

There were a lot of ATA Guys who went to Airtran and there are few left. VERY DIFFERENT corporate culture....at least from the old ATA. It's a real shame they could never figure out how to make money. It was a really great place to work.

Airtran is not for everyone. And it was truly not for me.

RV
 
Back to the top, no matter what decision you make it will be some years before you find out if you made the right move, no matter wither you go or stay.
 
Back to the top, no matter what decision you make it will be some years before you find out if you made the right move, no matter wither you go or stay.
True enough.

I watch people throwing the "my airline is better than your airline" stones and wonder where they'll be in a decade.

This industry is really, really strange that way...
 
I like AirTran... I've had fun here... make a fair livin...a lot of cool pilots.. good people..overall ! pissed cause I can't drop an integration trip !! otherwise its all good at Tranny... need a contract too !

I flew with RV.... he's cool... remember new years eve.. 07 !! Chick in the Hotel getting nailed...u could here her moanin in the hallway !!! LOL.... grin...awe.. we could all write a book... nobody would believe it...

UAL..... Hmmmm time will tell... I think it really depends how old ya are ....
 
Ha! I remember that. Was it JAX? Pizza and the young one with boy problems? She sure was peerrrtty....

That was about the best trip I had at Airtran!

You are right about UA....either it will work or not. I'll let you know in 30 years. Either way, it is my last airline. I'll just stay home and sell wine if this doesn't work out!

Hope all is well.

RV
 

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