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By far, my airline has the lousiest leather jackets in the industry. They don't match the navy pants and have hideous epaulets that don't match the shirt epaulets. They were origionally designed to match the khaki pants worn by the Valuejet pilots. We switched to a more formal uniform however to appease the cheap pilots that didn't want to buy a new jacket, we now have these things. I'll never wear one. Perrone makes a great leather jacket. My previous employer had them however I never actually wore mine on the line. I personally like the traditional blazer. Call me crazy.


IAHERJ
 
Is it just me, or does it seem like Regional captains (i.e. SkyWest) wear their leather jackets w/epaulets in the terminal at all times?

BTW-Our dept. only lets us wear the leather jacket with matching chaps.
 
Atccfi said:
In my opinion ( I know it doesn't really count) I think the leather jackets are cheesy and unprofessional. Sure it might be more functional, but I just think it looks unprofessional. Not to mention that it looks like you're trying to be something that you're not. I've always associated the leather jackets with military bombers and fighter jet jocks, but you're neither of those.....you are a professional pilot and should dress the part ( that is not to say military pilots are not professional). It would be like showing up to work and going to a meeting wearing your leather jacket as opposed to your suit..... Just my view.....


Don't wear leather dude! Only apply to those companies that don't wear leather.

All kidding aside, I will continue to wear my leather jacket, even thought it stains the collar of my shirt. As singlecoil pointed out, don't use the san diego leather co. coats. The dye bleeds onto your collar and the quality is so-so.
 
Have you seen independence air's leather jackets? They are the best in the industry. No cheesy elastic band and weird looking folds or crazy eapuletes. Very New York chic.
 
Leather Jacket

Another vote here against leather jackets. Of course, I guess the calculator watch goes well with the leather. Perhaps you can sync watches in the ready room as well while you leather guys discuss the "mission."

Don't forget those paddle stemmed sunglasses you guys picked up at the base exchange.
 
RideandDrive said:
Another vote here against leather jackets. Of course, I guess the calculator watch goes well with the leather...


Count me in.

The leather jackets look unprofessional. We get paid McDonald's wages because we continue to act like wannabe red barons instead of professional Airline Pilots. We want professional salaries; walking around in a leather jacket doesn't convey that picture.

Next time I want to play bomber pilot, I'll buy a leather jacket, Ray Bans and silk scarf, and drop stuff out of the tree-house.

Show me a pressed suit with a well tied tie, shined shoes and I'll show you a professional looking person.

Ditch the bus driver hat too.

IMHO
 
Wow: Now leather jackets are unprofessional. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, and mine is that the tide has turned against the jacket and hat marking the look of a professional pilot. No thanks. The leather jacket is WAY more practical than the suit jacket and I don't see too many Wall Street types walking around and under aircraft leaking hydraulic and de-icing fluid and fuel all over in their suits. Its rediculous to require pilots to do so. Wearing a hat to do a walkaround is just as rediculous.

I had a discussion via email with the leaders of my MEC about what uniform items made us look professional about a year or so ago. The MEC was encouraging pilots to either buy or borrow hats to do informational picketing in support of another ALPA carrier. I expressed my willingness to stand the line, however I wouldn't buy or borrow a hat to do so. The same with being required to wear the psuedo-military SDB jacket. Sorry, but I won't waste my (or my company's money) on something that I feel makes me look rediculous just to walk the line. I, of course, was informed that I my opinions were fine but they obviously weren't in conformance with their's (the MECs) so we agreed to disagree and I stayed home.

Imagine my surprise this month when I got my copy of Air Line Pilot (The Official Journal of the Air Line Pilots Association, International), and right there on the cover are real ALPA member airline pilots doing informational picketing, and not one of them is wearing a jacket or a hat. I'm pretty sure they are pilots even still, and I'm pretty sure the public could tell they were pilots.

Personally, I don't think that the public gives a rat's arse about what we wear, as long as they can fly across the country for less than it costs for a hotel room for one night. I also don't think that informational picketing does anything to improve our stature with the public, so why we would then worry about looking "professional" while doing so (by wearing a hat and jacket according to some) is beyond me anyway.

Oh well, sorry for the thread drift.

By the way, FedEx allows leather jackets and hats are optional.

FJ
 
Falconjet,

Why didn't you show up to picket without the hat. Would you have been sent home? Your MEC had an opinion about the image, but any ALPA leader with half a brain knows not to enforce or demand uniform compliance. He'll lose his audience right away. (BTW, informational picketing has worked for over 70 years, why doesn't it work in your opinion?)

First, not sure the FedEx guys have a place on the hat table discussion. I've seen one FedEx hat on a commuter in MEM. FedEx guys really don't need to wear hats. At 3am on the freight ramp, who is concerned? More later.

The blazer is more professional looking however the leather jacket is more practical. Consider it a tie and either choice is accpetable.

I was wondering when hats was going to work it's way into this thread..hijack time?

When the Hat is argued as a uniform piece, it is always done so with the author thinking about himself. How do I look in the hat. Do I like the hat? How does the hat feel on MY head? ME ME ME!

It is not about me. It is about us. It is about our image to the public and what THEY believe! The question is do THEY believe we are worth it? Most people travel on a limited basis. Airports and aircraft can be confusing and intimidating. Give them a reassuring image so they feel good about giving up their MO-NAY!!

Look if you want to argue that ticket prices are so danm cheap and it doesn't matter if we show up in sweats to fly, then what about the future. The future in two ways. 1. If you do wreck a jet do you want to been seen looking sharp or sloppy afterwards? (It doesn't matter if you screw up, just as long as you look good doing it!) 2. If and when this industry turns around, the concern is that we'll have let our image slide and this will hurt us a the negotiating table. ($$$)

Back in the good ol' days, PanAm was adament that it crews would been seen at the best intercontinental hotels and never been seen carrying thier own bags, much less anyone elses. Boy, times have changed. It is all about cost and managment would just assume we stay at the Motel 6 and carry/load bags. But we don't.

Management would just assume have our image dumb downed to blue collar hourly laborers. I'd rather smarten it up to a professional, like a doctor. I think we can realize more pay from management and the public with a professional image.

It is disapointing that so many of us are willing to be a reflection of our current environment. If the passengers don't care, then don't wear a tie. Do we wear the uniform because we are concened the CPO will discipline us? Or do we wear the uniform because we know as professionals, presenting a professional image is...well.....professional. (hint: key word here....)

Give a guy 350K a year and he'll wear any hat. Run him through this current airline environement and hats are lit on fire as they're frisbeed to the nearest trash can. Is that professional?

When it comes to our companies, the gov't and the public all we have is image. Imagine if our image was brought up a few notches? The image was "Man, those airline pilots are disciplined, calm, smart, relaxed, polite, trusted and professional."

Instead we have Air Line Pilots in the terminal, with faded blue cotton dockers, Margariitaville Tshirts shown through white shirts, oakleys with croakies, dirty epaulets, combined with body language that says "who gives a crap" and foul language, etc.... You get the idea.

The hat is a tool to do our jobs via projecting a professional image, that's all. Even I don't like wearing the hat but I think wearing it is greater than my opinion.....
 
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I think anyone who wears a leather glove while playing golf is unprofessional...They must be weak.

Real golfers dont play with a sissy glove.

This thread is stupid.

Next
 
I just thought of a great idea, have a leather jacket made up like a blazer! Satisfies everyone. Professionalism and Practicality all rolled up in one.

To make things more interesting, we should get medals and awards to give us that neato military look.

Also we could get leather chaps in case we have to take a knee during preflight while checking out the oleos. Now we have an airline biker dude militaristic professional pilot.

Gimme a break. Leather jackets are fine; they are truly a part of aviation history and in the public eye, you still look like professional pilot. I really don't think the average passenger cares whether one wears either a blazer or a leather jacket: they just want to get to their destination on time safely. If you haven't noticed pax are much more casually dressed nowadays too...

Navin
 
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Good post REZ.

Sounds like you offended double shot though.....oh well he does work for SWA...

Let's not hold it against him....
 
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HMR said:
We tried the blazer and leather jacket but opted for this instead. Super warm and loved by 'da ladeeez.

Big Pimpin'

Rook. (hopin to wear FredEx leather soon)

p.s. wear the leather if you want. Fcuk the public. They think we're just a bunch of overpaid drunken gun toters anyway. Oh yeah guess they're right.
 
The hat is a tool to do our jobs via projecting a professional image, that's all. Even I don't like wearing the hat but I think wearing it is greater than my opinion.....

Dude, you're wearing essentially the same hat as the Skycap slinging bags on the sidewalk. I don't think that hat is doing anything for our professional image.

What makes your image is how you wear your uniform, not whether your jacket is leather or wool, or whether you have a hat on. Are your pants and shirt clean and well pressed? Are your shoes shined and business-like, or are you wearing around black Reeboks (hey--I've seen it!). Do you bother to tuck in your shirt after a couple of legs, or is it hanging out like a parachute? Do you walk out of the cockpit with your shirt unbuttoned and tie loose?

The sad part is that even if we all looked like James Bond, we're not going to see any more in our paychecks because of it. Market forces are chipping away at our pay and benefits, and there's not a hat in the world that's going to cure it.
 
Seems to me, the leather jacket portrays the pilot in a true sense. Everyone knows the airlines adopted that "business look" back in the fifties to entice customers to feel safe. Heck, the Air Farce did it too! There's no more reason in wearing a coat and tie to fly an aircraft than there is to come home from work and put on a cardigan and slippers, a la "Leave it to Beaver." The Air Farce-induced "business suit" look has gone by the wayside. Wear what works. Leather was chosen for a reason as a hardy, weather-proof, warm garment that withstood the elements. Let's use it for its purpose.
 
Dude, you're wearing essentially the same hat as the Skycap slinging bags on the sidewalk. I don't think that hat is doing anything for our professional image.

Why do you think skycaps began wearing those hats? To look like pilots.
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
Now, if you are a uber geek Joe Pilot ERAU/UND type you'd wear your uniform to your wedding!! The question is, would you wear your leather jacket or blazer!!!:rolleyes: . Perhaps if you are an total ultra purist aviation junkie you'd marry another pilot and BOTH of you would wear your uniforms. One blazer and one leather jacket. YEAH!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And you gotta have the hat as well.
 
Leather is a great option

HMR has the best post in the thread (if you missed it, click the link below), I fell down laughing:

“We tried the blazer and leather jacket but opted for this instead. Super warm and loved by 'da ladeeez.”

My 2 cents: This industry has a million problems to solve before you worry about leather or suit coat – say hi to your passengers and be outgoing and friendly, they don’t care what you are wearing. From a practical pilot perspective, it was freaking cold in Toronto in Jan and Feb on my pit stops there. A leather jacket (AWA uses Perrone) is much better than the suit coat. Ditch the hat – Bus drivers and Bag dudes got ‘em and pilots crush/bend/warp/never clean ‘em, so no two look alike anyway. The fact that we make female pilots wear male hats is freaking crazy
 
UALjan15, very well said.

Fed Ex, It was Mr. Rogers, not the Beav--- It is a wounderful day in the neighborhood......LOL
 
Both USAJet and Kalitta wear leather jackets.

Darby Crash, I think we may be the only two people on these boards that appreciate your handle.

HMR that jacket is DABomb. Where do I apply?

And SMOE, whats wrong with Fabulair? They are supposed to be thooooper to work for. I hear everyone has a gay ole time there.
 
Germs were a great band.
Leather jackets would be fine if they didn't look cheesey. Memebers only jackets are not stylish, unless your hoppin' out of your Smokey and the Bandit trans am.....
Is there a cool looking leather jacket?
The worst part are is around the bottom of the jacket where they bunch up the leather... Reminds me of pants with a built in stretch zone for the many of us who are fat.
adios
snowman
 
Leather jackets are a joke. The bussiness flyers are laughing at you guys. You look like Captain Fonzie...AAAAYYYY!
 
they don’t care what you are wearing

Maybe not, but they will notice. I won't name the airline involved, but waiting for a US Air Express flight out of Boston a couple years ago, there was an express CA and a slightly chubby FO and two 91/135 pilots (I know cuz they said they flew a Hawker) talking in front of the downstairs windows. The express guys had no hat or jacket, just "clean and serviceable" short-sleeved shirts with all the trimmings and no creases, while the two 91/135 guys were wearing dark gray dress pants and uniform jackets with slanted, silver stripes on the sleeves. I must say, they were really sharp looking ... pressed, starched white shirts, smart ties and tacs, neat haircuts ... etc.

An older lady sitting next to my girlfriend leaned over toward us and pointed and said "I hope our pilots are the guys on the left." and kind of chuckled.

Opinions are all fine and dandy, but don't kid yourself. Passengers do notice. :)

Minh
 
leather flight jackets are OUT

these are OUT

they were "cool" in the 80's but not now

if I had a $1 for the number of times I have seen airline PAX raise their airbrows and smirk when they observed a airline pilot with his leather jacket, bars, and nameplate "CAPT JIM ROGERS" on, I would have 500 bucks in my pocket
 
snowman said:
The worst part are is around the bottom of the jacket where they bunch up the leather... Reminds me of pants with a built in stretch zone for the many of us who are fat.
adios
snowman

That's why the Independence Air jackets are the best in the business.
 
Every time I see a pilot in a leather jacket, I can't help but think of the Sporty's Pilot Shop catalogs. I mean, for some reason, our (airline pilot's) management has used "allowing" us to wear certain trendy uniform articles (i.e. no hat, leather jacket, etc...). These trends from the younger generation, of which I am a part, are daunting to the professionalism of the industry. I am tired of seeing pilots carrying around their suitcase with a backpack swung over their shoulder, wearing Doc Martin's or some other thick-soled boot. But I don't know what is worse; that, or the guys that have scuffed up shoes that are never polished, or a shirt that is not ironed. Sure the leather is durable and maybe more durable than the suit jacket. I just hope we don't let the ties go next year and switch to cargo pants the year after that. This profession is continually getting "dumbed down"; I hope that this does not come up in the minds of company men and women at the negotiating table around contract time, as I am sure that it does. Kudos to Delta for not dumping the uniform for a trendier look.
 

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