Learjet 45 getting Garmin 3000

[2-o'sinGoose]

LR45 Garmin 5000 is a fact... Don't be surprised when the 680 gets it too.. as well as winglets.

 

[BoilerUP]

Sovereign needed to get PL21 three years ago.

Wouldn't surprise me to see it get the G5000, but winglets? Would that wing really benefit from them?

 

[spxdriver]

Sovereign needed to get PL21 three years ago.

Wouldn't surprise me to see it get the G5000, but winglets? Would that wing really benefit from them?

The winglets probably don't quite look like you're thinking. And yes, it will benefit from them.

What do you believe is wrong with the Honeywell Epic that it should have been replaced by ProLine 21?

 

[BoilerUP]

I figured elliptical winglets ala the X...what are you hearing they'll look like?

As far as avionics, I don't personally have any experience with Epic.

That said, I have heard MANY Sovereign operators report MANY issues with their EPIC avionics, both in person and on the internet. Database update issues, poor component reliability, course intercept over/undershoots, and just plain working well. The recommendation that EPIC Phase 5 aircraft not fly coupled ILS/LPV approaches, for example - completely unacceptable for a $17M+ aircraft. Which is really odd, since EPIC seems to work well in Gulfstream/Falcon/Embraer products.

I haven't heard of similar chronic avionics/autoflight issues in PL21-equipped aircraft.

When you hear how great the Sovereign is EXCEPT for avionics so many times, from so many different pilots, it seems like a change would be in order...<shrug>

 

[spxdriver]

I figured elliptical winglets ala the X...what are you hearing they'll look like?

I've seen them, and they are not elliptical, or anything close to it.

That said, I have heard MANY Sovereign operators report MANY issues with their EPIC avionics, both in person and on the internet. Database update issues, poor component reliability, course intercept over/undershoots, and just plain working well. The recommendation that EPIC Phase 5 aircraft not fly coupled ILS/LPV approaches, for example - completely unacceptable for a $17M+ aircraft. Which is really odd, since EPIC seems to work well in Gulfstream/Falcon/Embraer products.

There's definitely a certain order required to have the most success loading databases, I agree. That said though, I've had to only restart a database load on our airplane one time. For those that are having problems with the database loading, be sure to use the latest version of Cessna's DMU loader program.

Can't say that I've had problems with component reliability.

As far as the intercepts, well, it's not perfect, but I've never seen it go more than 1/4 scale, and it always corrects after 10-15 seconds. IMO, not a big deal.

I really have no complaints about the Epic avionics. They're not perfect, but I'd say that overall, they work well.

There's no such recommendation that phase 5 aircraft not fly ILS and LPV approaches - don't believe everything that you read online. For the reality, see below:

LPV approach procedures are not affected by this condition and may be conducted normally in accordance with existing AFM limitations and procedures.

Autopilot coupled ILS approaches may also be conducted, however they should be limited to a modified autopilot Minimum Use Height (MUH) of 700 feet AGL. The glideslope deviation display should be monitored, and autopilot disconnected if a sustained glideslope deviation greater than 1 dot is observed. Category II ILS approaches should not be conducted.

Flight Director only ILS approaches may be conducted in accordance with existing AFM limitations and procedures. The flight director command should be cross-checked with the glideslope deviation display, and flight director indications disregarded if a sustained glideslope deviation greater than 1 dot is observed while following the flight director guidance.

When you hear how great the Sovereign is EXCEPT for avionics so many times, from so many different pilots, it seems like a change would be in order...<shrug>

There definitely are better avionics packages coming out than Epic is today. However, I don't think that it deserves the bad reputation that it sometimes gets. IMO, the worst part of having Honeywell avionics isn't the equipment that's installed in the airplane, but rather having to deal with Honeywell on the phone for billing, changing subscriptions, etc.

 

[BoilerUP]

Well are the winglets spiroid, or fences, or what? SPILL IT MAN! (yes, I am a dork).

I actually read the EPIC Phase 5 alert on Citation Support; I do see there is an updated Alert issued 2/21 which superseded the alart issued 2/11 (the one I read) which I was not aware of. It appears like the updated alert removed the recommendation against coupled ILS/LPV approaches.

 

[CorpCaptain]

That 45 you saw at NBAA is our bird. They made us take the EFB's off. So now they sit in the office. Atleast till they come up with a answer for us. And I was just down in Dallas last week. BL told me that by mid-summer that the sim would be gone to Olathe. The crazy thing is I talked to the Phenom IP's down there and they have the Garmin in the 300 and 100. Told me that they've had tons of issues with them and that they are a pain in the ass. Makes you scratch your head why the hell Bombardier would choose unproven equipment such as this in a proven airplane.

 

[LJ45]

Makes you scratch your head why the hell Bombardier would choose unproven equipment such as this in a proven airplane.

What ever is cheaper and who would do the work for them, I bet Garmin is doing all the work to make their boxes play. Just like Colins did the leg work for the PL21 in the 60.

 

[doylehargraves]

Sooooo, the sim is still in Dallas. Now what is the theory?

 

[TRBojet]

We're booked for our recurrent in March and Alice in Dallas said the 2nd 45 sim will be around all this year but would be updated next year. I met with our Bombardier rep a couple of weeks ago and asked him the question about the "new" 45 update. He was vague but hinted that they're planning a cockpit upgrade from Honeywell, not Garmin. But who knows.