LCC or NJA?

[tanzer16]

Shouldn't be a hard choice, but just wanted to hear input if one had to choose recall to group 2 at U (737/A320) or Netjets. Thanks in advance for the opinions.

 

[brokeflyer]

it all depends on if you wanna get furloughed again....

 

[CA1900]

Depends what you're looking for, truly. Airline flying and fractional flying are very different animals. You'll likely work harder, longer days at a fractional, doing everything from flying to stocking the plane to wiping down tray tables. Each flight's a little different.

It isn't for everybody. I had a friend who came here a couple of years ago, and left less than a year later when he got hired at Cathay Pacific. As for me, I'm happy here and will likely stay with it for the long haul. I stopped updating my apps with the airlines when I got hired here.


I wouldn't pass on recall unless you already have a good job and an actual offer from NJA. But if both jobs appeal and are on the table, I'd take NJA over US Airways in a heartbeat. I think US is going to be in labor strife for years (if it doesn't implode first), and it's going to be just a miserable working environment.


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[rydog]

Well if the united usair merger goes through there will be significant capacity reduction and almost certainly furloughs again.

But if you don't have a job its an easy choice. There was a guy in my interview group that hadn't flown in more than a year and didn't get an offer. Not to say that was the only factor but it didn't help for sure.

 

[captain dad]

I agree with the smoking monkey.

They are completely different and it depends on what you want to do. Personally, I love it here and wish I had made the switch hers ago. I will never go back to the airlines but that's me.

If you take pride in service and enjoy the challenge of getting it right the first time, anywhere, any time, every time; then this is a great place to be. If you wanna just show up and fly the plane from point A to point B; then you had better stay at the airlines.

Plus we are still hiring steady for the next several years at least. Compared to the airlines who are moving backward...AGAIN!

Good Luck. Hope that helps.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Shouldn't be a hard choice, but just wanted to hear input if one had to choose recall to group 2 at U (737/A320) or Netjets. Thanks in advance for the opinions.

US is THE train wreck of the industry. If you like high stakes where everyone is a loser then sign right up.

This business isn't about aircraft size, uniforms, nonreving or fortune and glory anymore.

To me, at least, it's about a steady paycheck (good money), 100% paid benes and good time off with NO commute.

Thank god for the airlines though... I need to get to my plane somehow.

 

[On Your Six]

If you have actual offers from both right now, I'd go with Netjets personally. I could handle the 7/7 schedule (although others might not). With 100 pilot domiciles, roughly $60K to start and brand new airplanes with unlimited route variety, Netjets would be the superior choice in my mind. Add Warren Buffett as the owner and the current airline consolidation craze, I'd pick Netjets for better job security at this point.

Why go to USAirways where you could be furloughed post-merger?

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Not to mention a company that actually takes care of their employees. How much is insurance at Airways?

 

[sshrae]

I think it depends on how good your airline is. it can be tough choice. i am waiting to hear from nja after an interview a couple of weeks ago. my airline is not doing that great but i still make what a nja captain makes and i get 18 days off as compared to 14 days off. there was 2 nja guys in my newhire class at the airline (that was when it was the old contract though).I still havent decided if its the best choice or not but atleast nja looks a little better on paper. good luck.

 

[amaineiac]

This business isn't about aircraft size, uniforms, nonreving or fortune and glory anymore.

To me, at least, it's about a steady paycheck (good money), 100% paid benes and good time off with NO commute.

Thank god for the airlines though... I need to get to my plane somehow.

Amen brother. It took me a long time to get that into my thick skull. I'm very grateful to be away from 121 and finally work for a company that takes pride in their product.

 

[fischman]

US is THE train wreck of the industry. If you like high stakes where everyone is a loser then sign right up.

This business isn't about aircraft size, uniforms, nonreving or fortune and glory anymore.

To me, at least, it's about a steady paycheck (good money), 100% paid benes and good time off with NO commute.

Thank god for the airlines though... I need to get to my plane somehow.

REVEREND!!!!!!

 

[av8tor4239]

I agree with the smoking monkey.

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Funny.. now that was funny

 

[CA1900]

Funny.. now that was funny

How can you not agree with a smoking monkey? :laugh:

 

[gutshotdraw]

Shouldn't be a hard choice, but just wanted to hear input if one had to choose recall to group 2 at U (737/A320) or Netjets. Thanks in advance for the opinions.

I want to know if this is a trick question. I'll call Tempe and make sure you get popped for a random drug test if you take the recall to that train wreck.

 

[Gator1999]

This business isn't about aircraft size, uniforms, nonreving or fortune and glory anymore.

Amen to that. I've got a friend that is just dead set against flying anything smaller than an Airbus...and that's fine and all but I think that can be a little greedy when you factor a wife and kids into the mix. But that's just my opinion...

Long live the smoking monkey!

 

[hydrarkt]

Um .. hmm.. let me help you!!

A few months ago I flew with a former USAir Captain. He had been there for 18 years and was in his early 40s (he got on young). After the merger with AWA and the list merger fiasco, he bailed on USAir and came to NJA.

He had been a Captain on a Bus and then got bumped to FO on something smaller (can't remember what). He told me that he figured another 10 years to get back to the left seat.

He had no regrets about bailing on them and was happy here.

 

[skyaddict]

I'll echo what all the other airline to frac posters have said time and again. Though there are certainly some little (maybe big to some) negatives vs the airlines, such as the cleaning/stocking, no bidding over start times (a tendency towards early starts), and so forth, but on balance I MUCH prefer the flying variety, lifestyle, and dealing with the pax over the airlines. Of course it's not for everyone. As for not flying the heavy iron, I could give a hoot.

They say the price of oil "should" be $50 a barrel or so were it not for risk priced into it, which has raised the risk-factored price to around $80 (and yes, this in turn is now bumped even higher to $120, but that added amount is mostly a temporary commodity bubble driven by flawed U.S. easy-money/cheap dollar monetary policy). Well, the 121 carriers (mostly) are MUCH riskier now than fracs, so unless you see a huge premium for the incredible risk now faced there, it is way underpaid. I wouldn't even trade my job for that kind of pay factor, as I'm fed up with waking up every morning with a mental ulcer regarding some foolish merger or base change policy or something. Not saying any company that uses airplanes is immune to bad surprises, but stability is a relative term.

 

[CA1900]

A few months ago I flew with a former USAir Captain. He had been there for 18 years ... he figured another 10 years to get back to the left seat...

Holy crap! He'd be a 28-year FO before upgrade? I'm sure the Age 65 change didn't help him either...

 

[imacdog]

The original post can't be a real question, can it?

 

[amaineiac]

Amen to that. I've got a friend that is just dead set against flying anything smaller than an Airbus...and that's fine and all but I think that can be a little greedy when you factor a wife and kids into the mix. But that's just my opinion...

Long live the smoking monkey!

I'm told a few guys left NJA last year to goto Skybus because they wanted to fly something bigger.

I wonder how much yeager you have to drink to kill that kind of pain.