LCC or NJA?

[Jafo73]

I wonder how much yeager you have to drink to kill that kind of pain.

Do you mean jager (as in jagermeister)? I don't think Chuck (Yeager) would like you trying to drink him...
:beer:

 

[AirBear8]

I had 13.5 years at US Airways and when they recalled me at a time when I had just 2 years at NJA I didn't hesitate to turn them down. And this was before the arbitrators seniority screw job that would have (had I not retired from Airways upon recall) put my 1989 hire date junior to a 2005 hire at AWA.

Now I'm a 3 year Captain at NJA and I'll make more here in 2008 than I would as a B737/A320 US Airways Captain plus have a much more secure job and much better quality of life. (Even on the 18 day schedule at NJA).

And I agree with the other posters that the airline consolidation in progress combined with age 65 retirement will most likely lead to furloughs again.

AirBear

 

[amaineiac]

Do you mean jager (as in jagermeister)? I don't think Chuck (Yeager) would like you trying to drink him...
:beer:

Ya got me there. It didn't look right, so I googled "yeager drink" and there were some recipes for "yeager bombs" so I figured it was spelled correctly.

After seeing it spelled correctly in your post, it was instantly obvious I botched the spelling. Thanks for the correction.

 

[flyguppy]

NJA application submitted

I've flown everything from 737's to 777's. 13 years at UAL, currently a guppy left seater.

My paperwork went in to NJA Monday. If I'm fortunate enough to get hired, looking forward to having fun at work again, taking pride in my job, and being treated with some modicum of respect by managment.

I loathe what the jerkoff that runs this place has done to the culture at United since he has been here.

"Want to fly the big iron".....not that big of deal since I've done it. I can attest that the Triple flys like a 172........OK, maybe a Mooney.

 

[flexpilot]

Major Airline Thread

Shouldn't be a hard choice, but just wanted to hear input if one had to choose recall to group 2 at U (737/A320) or Netjets. Thanks in advance for the opinions.

It would be interesting to see how this thread plays out on the MAJOR Airlines section.

 

[johnsonrod]

Netjets is a far, far better better than USAirways. No comparison. If you don't get on with Netjets, I'd also consider Flexjet and Citationshares. Netjets is still the best fractional option in my opinion with 100 domiciles and solid job security. The starting salary and full healthcare coverage ain't bad either...

 

[clueless]

I had 13.5 years at US Airways and when they recalled me at a time when I had just 2 years at NJA I didn't hesitate to turn them down. And this was before the arbitrators seniority screw job that would have (had I not retired from Airways upon recall) put my 1989 hire date junior to a 2005 hire at AWA.

I don't understand why the US Air guys think they got screwed by a relative seniority integration when they were BOUGHT by AWA.

US Air had both feet swinging over the edge of the grave for years, and were probably only a few days away from shutting down completely on several occasions during the few years prior to them being bought by AWA. Had that happened, all of your jobs would have vaporized and you'd all be the bottom guy on some list somewhere.

How can the most junior guy at the acquired company (whether he had 15 days of seniority or 15 years at his old company) expect or think he deserves to be anything other than the most junior guy at the new company?

The fact that the most junior guy at US Air had 13+ years of seniority is just another testament to how crappily that place was run for a decade or more.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

I don't understand why the US Air guys think they got screwed by a relative seniority integration when they were BOUGHT by AWA.

US Air had both feet swinging over the edge of the grave for years, and were probably only a few days away from shutting down completely on several occasions during the few years prior to them being bought by AWA. Had that happened, all of your jobs would have vaporized and you'd all be the bottom guy on some list somewhere.

How can the most junior guy at the acquired company (whether he had 15 days of seniority or 15 years at his old company) expect or think he deserves to be anything other than the most junior guy at the new company?

The fact that the most junior guy at US Air had 13+ years of seniority is just another testament to how crappily that place was run for a decade or more.

I think they call it battered wife syndrome..My dad is retired from airways and he is even floored by the audacity of the easties. Everything Airways has ever touched in the last 40 years has turned to crap!

It's a no win situation for anyone involved..but to think you should get date of hire after being pulled out of the porcelain god by another airline would be amusing if it were not so sad. I have many friends on both sides and wish them the best!

 

[FLYLOW22]

I don't understand why the US Air guys think they got screwed by a relative seniority integration when they were BOUGHT by AWA.

Oh, here we go.

Lemme put it in perspective for you. We at the frax mostly came from 121. We think that Part 121 pretty much sucks equally, whatever flavor we are discussing. We don't really care who pissed on who and who's daddy is better.

Nicolou? Who cares. Not here.

We have no dog in any of your fights. Sorry.

Oh, and P.S. ... the comment about "both feet swinging over the grave"... None of the airlines were built for a model of $110 per barrel oil. NO airline is immune. How many have failed already? 5, 6?

It's pretty scary actually.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

from another thread, same reply

Repost applicable to this thread as well:

You DARED turned down the sacred NJA offer?
You must be crazy...
Don't you know NJA is today's best thing since UAL?
They are paid the best, get to kiss the best a$$es, get to eat the best crew meals...
Don't you know 100 year old Warren Buffett owns NJA and he's going to live forever, and anyone who follows will be specially programmed to do exactly as he has done (just erase the last 20 years of pilot pay from your mind)?
Don't you know the best of the best wealthy they drool over will never EVER cut back on private flying, no matter how high oil is or how many of their companies tank in this increasingly poor economy?
Don't you know anyone who turns them down must be an idiot and anyone who thinks differently about their company "must have been turned down" there?:smash:
There. I must have have saved 17 pages or so of clutter from this thread.
Congrats and good luck to you. Take the adventures while you can, so you don't end up like 80 percent of the NJA guys on here who have to try and justify THEIR inner voices by expressing the above 24/7 on a message board, rather than getting out and enjoying the life they claim so many should aspire to.
Carry on.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Ladies and gents... I give you Nostrodamus.

 

[fischman]

Voice of Reason

Jealous much???




Sheesh!!!

 

[Voice Of Reason]

You DARED turned down the sacred NJA offer?
You must be crazy...
Don't you know NJA is today's best thing since UAL?
They are paid the best, get to kiss the best a$$es, get to eat the best crew meals...
Don't you know 100 year old Warren Buffett owns NJA and he's going to live forever, and anyone who follows will be specially programmed to do exactly as he has done (just erase the last 20 years of pilot pay from your mind)?
Don't you know the best of the best wealthy they drool over will never EVER cut back on private flying, no matter how high oil is or how many of their companies tank in this increasingly poor economy?
Don't you know anyone who turns them down must be an idiot and anyone who thinks differently about their company "must have been turned down" there?:smash:
There. I must have have saved 17 pages or so of clutter from this thread.
Congrats and good luck to you. Take the adventures while you can, so you don't end up like 80 percent of the NJA guys on here who have to try and justify THEIR inner voices by expressing the above 24/7 on a message board, rather than getting out and enjoying the life they claim so many should aspire to.
Carry on.

Jealous much???
Sheesh!!!

Predictably inane reply as expected.
Yeah, you're 3rd on my "I wish I could be a" list...right behind American and Delta skygods. :laugh:

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

We report / you decide

I think it depends on how good your airline is. it can be tough choice. i am waiting to hear from nja after an interview a couple of weeks ago. my airline is not doing that great but i still make what a nja captain makes and i get 18 days off as compared to 14 days off. there was 2 nja guys in my newhire class at the airline (that was when it was the old contract though).I still havent decided if its the best choice or not but atleast nja looks a little better on paper. good luck.

Confussed I am, if your getting what is highlighted in red then why leave? What schedule and year are you comparing earings if you make as much. Granted, we don't make FedEx wages, but we are not FedEx. We wages now that pilots can survive and be proud.
I'll ask you the following. Does your airline cover your medical/dental at 100% company cost? Does your airline cover your FAA medical and EKG (if needed)? Do they provide you a $400 uniform allowance plus $100 for alterations? Do they provide crew meals and a tax-free per diem? Do they offer 100 bases? Are you paid if a flight cxl? Are you paid to travel to work? Are you able to reap the benefits of keeping your hotel and airline points? How about O/T for your duty day more then 12 hours?
Not being an ass mind ya, just pointing some of the benefits a lot of pilots don't realize NJA pilots receive. I have talk with more then a fair share of airline pilots that don't have a clue what we do and what we are about. Either they are living in a damn box or they have their head in the hole in the ground.
Look long term and dig deep to find out everything about NJA. Ask any of us in an airport when you are killing time and you'll discover a wealth of info.
Good luck with your company.

 

[brokeflyer]

Amen to that. I've got a friend that is just dead set against flying anything smaller than an Airbus...and that's fine and all but I think that can be a little greedy when you factor a wife and kids into the mix. But that's just my opinion...

Long live the smoking monkey!

im glad...cause that makes my 135k working less than 182 days per year and no charge for heath ins job just that much better.

Tell your buddy with the complex to just stay...lol

 

[gunfyter]

Shhhhhh...

How the hell do you guys expect us to get raises when you keep on bragging how great we have it here?

I am overworked and underpaid...

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Where would you want to work Now?

 

[jonjuan]

Um .. hmm.. let me help you!!

A few months ago I flew with a former USAir Captain. He had been there for 18 years and was in his early 40s (he got on young). After the merger with AWA and the list merger fiasco, he bailed on USAir and came to NJA.

He had been a Captain on a Bus and then got bumped to FO on something smaller (can't remember what). He told me that he figured another 10 years to get back to the left seat.

He had no regrets about bailing on them and was happy here.

Looks like he made the wrong choice. whoops!

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Looks like he'll be F/0 at Netjets even longer and on something even smaller. Lot less pay too!
He should've heeded the old saying: The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know.

 

[JetProp]

@NJ ..10 year+ FO's and counting..

Another five/ten or more years for upgrades? Who knows?