LCC or NJA?

[Lord Wakefield]

Did you leave someplace better?

 

[CRAWDADDY]

Well, looks like the flood gates may have opened this week. How many have left or put in their notices since Jan 1st?

Finally some recognition for the talent that exists here (on the line)

 

[crashtest]

How's the environment at Net? Thinking of going back to corporate flying, noticed NJ is hiring again. I would think that the pay would get better and quality of life since you are the biggest guy on the block. Just curious at what current NJ guys think about their future there.

 

[CA1900]

How's the environment at Net?

Toxic. In the wake of record profits, management is demanding large cuts in pay and benefits. Picketing is taking place in multiple locations, by pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, and dispatchers.

Just curious at what current NJ guys think about their future there.

I'm job hunting after nearly 10 years, if that's any indication.

 

[sshrae]

Confussed I am, if your getting what is highlighted in red then why leave? What schedule and year are you comparing earings if you make as much. Granted, we don't make FedEx wages, but we are not FedEx. We wages now that pilots can survive and be proud.
I'll ask you the following. Does your airline cover your medical/dental at 100% company cost? Does your airline cover your FAA medical and EKG (if needed)? Do they provide you a $400 uniform allowance plus $100 for alterations? Do they provide crew meals and a tax-free per diem? Do they offer 100 bases? Are you paid if a flight cxl? Are you paid to travel to work? Are you able to reap the benefits of keeping your hotel and airline points? How about O/T for your duty day more then 12 hours?
Not being an ass mind ya, just pointing some of the benefits a lot of pilots don't realize NJA pilots receive. I have talk with more then a fair share of airline pilots that don't have a clue what we do and what we are about. Either they are living in a damn box or they have their head in the hole in the ground.
Look long term and dig deep to find out everything about NJA. Ask any of us in an airport when you are killing time and you'll discover a wealth of info.
Good luck with your company.

Forgot all about this thread. Made the choice to go to nja and it was obviously the wrong choice. Should have stuck it out at f9. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20. Ended up being the best thing that happened was getting furloughed though as it lead me to my current gig.
I would take any of the LCC's now over nja if I was considering employment though.

 

[Downwind]

Well, looks like the flood gates may have opened this week. How many have left or put in their notices since Jan 1st?

Finally some recognition for the talent that exists here (on the line)

Is it 9 so far? I'm losing count. And that's only those that are posting their departure.

 

[T-1GUY]

Ten year FO's topped out st $80,000 a year.
No thanks, vote with your feet. I did. What a freaking waste.

 

[clueless]

Anyone who would chose a fractional over an airline that flies Boeing/Airbus products is a fool.

I have worked at both places.

My opinion. YMMV

 

[G4dude]

Hard to imagine many FOs staying. Gotta be several more years to upgrade at NJA.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Ten year FO's topped out st $80,000 a year.
No thanks, vote with your feet. I did. What a freaking waste.

Oof, I was easily beating that 6 years at a regional - that's Embry-Ridiculous.

Ok, easily is a bit of an exaggeration, but I wasn't going nuts.

 

[BentOver]

I surpassed NJA SIC 10 yr pay at year two at my airline....

Plus bid a great schedule, request whichever days off I want... Also bid reserve and work 3-9 days a month....


In a couple more years I will surpass NJA PIC pay... And with contract openers not far away it'll only get better...

I'm with the one guy who said getter furloughed from NJA may have been a good thing.

 

[jonjuan]

I surpassed NJA SIC 10 yr pay at year two at my airline....

Plus bid a great schedule, request whichever days off I want... Also bid reserve and work 3-9 days a month....


In a couple more years I will surpass NJA PIC pay... And with contract openers not far away it'll only get better...

I'm with the one guy who said getter furloughed from NJA may have been a good thing.

I'd be careful about thinking things are pineappley peachy in the Islands. HA Stock dropped 27% today! That's not a speed bump.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=Ha&ql=1

 

[CRAWDADDY]

People assume that those who stay have made a decision to do so. Not true. It's just that the F/Os are working harder to get out.
We've had relatively senior captains over 50yrs old bail for American and United this year. Don't just think if things don't pane out, you'll slide into a job with a major. Getting an interview will be harder than anything you do here. Start now. Flood the training department with record requests. If you're sitting on the fence now, perhaps you won't be in a few years when these efforts pay off.

 

[T-1GUY]

It takes a great deal of time and preparation just to ensure your log book and resume are up to speed. The act of filling out an application can take anywhere from several hours to several days. You will need to contact old friends and prepare letters of recommendation. Its a lengthy process. When and if you do get a call you will need to prep for the interview. You wont need to make a decision until a job offer is made.

I suggest at the very least you update your stuff and apply to the job you dream of. You will be that much further ahead if things go sideways at Netjets. Dont settle in your career. Strive for that top tier job. What do you have to lose? There will always be someone or some company hiring pilots to fly corporate jets for $60,000 to $80,000 a year.

I hear that American First Officers starting base pay alone will be $78,000 a year. Make it through your probation year and twelve months later, you will be making Netjets Captains pay. You also have a much quicker upgrade. Talk to your buddies at the majors. You will pull down alot more than the base salary listed on airlinepilotcentral.

Good luck to everyone. The hiring is going to be crazy for the next decade.

 

[shanes123]

I been hearing that for the last 2 decades

 

[BentOver]

I'd be careful about thinking things are pineappley peachy in the Islands. HA Stock dropped 27% today! That's not a speed bump.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=Ha&ql=1

Yeah.. Time to jump ship...

 

[CRAWDADDY]

How many have left NJA so far this year?

 

[G4dude]

It takes a great deal of time and preparation just to ensure your log book and resume are up to speed. The act of filling out an application can take anywhere from several hours to several days. You will need to contact old friends and prepare letters of recommendation. Its a lengthy process. When and if you do get a call you will need to prep for the interview. You wont need to make a decision until a job offer is made.

I suggest at the very least you update your stuff and apply to the job you dream of. You will be that much further ahead if things go sideways at Netjets. Dont settle in your career. Strive for that top tier job. What do you have to lose? There will always be someone or some company hiring pilots to fly corporate jets for $60,000 to $80,000 a year.

I hear that American First Officers starting base pay alone will be $78,000 a year. Make it through your probation year and twelve months later, you will be making Netjets Captains pay. You also have a much quicker upgrade. Talk to your buddies at the majors. You will pull down alot more than the base salary listed on airlinepilotcentral.

Good luck to everyone. The hiring is going to be crazy for the next decade.

Very good input, especially the last sentence.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

G4. Are you part of the solution or part of the problem?

 

[G4dude]

G4. Are you part of the solution or part of the problem?

Which problem?