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[SAABaroowski]

I'm well aware of that. DL was just the example I chose. Can't fit a 14 year career and all that has happened into a few paragraphs.

The point was that, due to a plethora of reasons, many pilots who never planned on being a lifer at a regional find themselves in that position. Like I said, don't judge someone until you've walked in their shoes for a while. You make your career and lifestyle decisions and we'll make ours.

Sometimes it's better to be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a huge lake.

I hear you, I didn't mean to single you out per say. I'm more talking about the guys who passed up some great opportunities because they were waiting for "the one"

 

[Clutch]

It's "per se". That goes for all you morons.

 

[cybourg10]

I don't think any of us need to take a pay cut, whether you are a 20 yr captain or a 2nd year FO we are all underpaid. My point was that some ASA guys have been saying (for the past 3 years) that we at XJT are too expensive and need to be more competitive. I think that is funny coming from one of the most senior groups in the industry and if you want to "help" the company than send some of your pay back to them. I just came up with a Michael Scott win win win formula for it, funny how some of ya'll react to it though.

 

[701EV]

There are more Airlines than just Delta ya know. Even at Spirit, which I know is not on everyone's list has 2nd or 3rd year F/Os making more than you. Hell, a 14 year guy at Spirit just got bumped to $185.00 and hr with a growing airline while you are asked to take another pay cut.?

SAAB, come on brother lets be honest. I just looked at Spirit's pay scale. Their's not an FO pay rate that pays more than a 15 year Captain at ASA.

 

[knightflyer]

then he definitely should gtfo of your seat!

rotflmao!!!

 

[Nevets]

You could have a TA that has slight improvements on the ASA side with slight concessions on the XJT side which would probably pass. The XJT side has burned a lot of bridges with the ASA side and it is really their fault we are in this spot. Frankly, I don't care what they think.

If we have a TA like that to vote on, I'll blame the XJT MEC. With that said, it was the ASA side who wouldn't compromise on PBS. Their fault we are at the same point we would've been but a year later. In the end, it doesn't matter. Management would've asked for concessions anyway.

 

[JumpersAway]

Clutch- I think I spoke with your avatar in OCC, just this last trip. Probably a lifer too.

 

[SAABaroowski]

SAAB, come on brother lets be honest. I just looked at Spirit's pay scale. Their's not an FO pay rate that pays more than a 15 year Captain at ASA.

Pay rate has little to do with W2. A perfect example was my 134 hrs of credit last month, all while blocking 34 hrs and being home 19 days of the month . The contract is that good, so yes the "pay rate" might not be up there, the W2 is.

Also the pay rates changed August 1st, 2nd year is now $72 (not great I know) but 401k company match goes to 10%. Similiar to the XJT contract, great work rules yield higher W2s than just pay rates

 

[Mako1985]

Where are these LGA and MSP rumors stemming from, side from rest regs

 

[zawillif]

Where are these LGA and MSP rumors stemming from, side from rest regs

I ran into one of our 700 crews in LGA last week. Their first leg was a deadhead from ATL-LGA, their last leg was a deadhead from LGA-ATL. They said on their first deadhead there was 3 other ASA crews deadheading. That was a total of 16 ASA crew members on one flight. Not too sure about MSP, but that doesn't sound very efficient for Delta or us.

 

[OCP]

SAAB, come on brother lets be honest. I just looked at Spirit's pay scale. Their's not an FO pay rate that pays more than a 15 year Captain at ASA.

They have a large pay raise coming up in 2013 and 2014. 2nd Year is going to be something like $77.

From APC
Contractual pay raises: Aug 2013, 2014.
(End of contract top pay rates: $185/hr capt; $109/hr FO)

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Well good for them. I'm sure the guys and gals who hired on when no-one else would give them the time of day are high-fiving each other in the jetbridge. Kinda like FedEx Express and UPS after things turned around.

Personally, I don't have to move an inch because some junior guys use wannabe-disparaging terms like "lifer".

It's kinda like asking a doctor at a rural hospital- "Why aren't you teaching neurosurgery at Mass. General?" Or my relatives asking 'So how big are the planes you're flying now?"

My answer: "Who gives a rat's ass."

 

[enuffalready]

They have a large pay raise coming up in 2013 and 2014. 2nd Year is going to be something like $77.

From APC
Contractual pay raises: Aug 2013, 2014.
(End of contract top pay rates: $185/hr capt; $109/hr FO)

OK.. And Atlas pays $200+ ,the Air Force is offering huge singing bones and Julio Jones makes great $ with the Falcons.....none of which i work

 

[OCP]

OK.. And Atlas pays $200+ ,the Air Force is offering huge singing bones and Julio Jones makes great $ with the Falcons.....none of which i work

Settle down boys, I was just pointing out what someone said earlier and giving you where the info came from. I'm not trying to sell it to you.

 

[SAABaroowski]

Well good for them. I'm sure the guys and gals who hired on when no-one else would give them the time of day are high-fiving each other in the jetbridge. Kinda like FedEx Express and UPS after things turned around.

Personally, I don't have to move an inch because some junior guys use wannabe-disparaging terms like "lifer".

It's kinda like asking a doctor at a rural hospital- "Why aren't you teaching neurosurgery at Mass. General?" Or my relatives asking 'So how big are the planes you're flying now?"

My answer: "Who gives a rat's ass."

"What routes do you fly", lol

 

[spudskier]

FWIW, all my trips in June were in/out of LGA, half of July, and half of august was all LGA... I'm sure DAL is pissed we're not better supporting our operation out of there and if they can guarantee us some consistent flying, we'll see a base there soon. (Here's hoping anyway)

This also doesn't account for the rumors of GoJets losing DCI flying soon

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Be careful about criticizing someone until you have walked in their shoes. I'm going on year 14 at ASA and, though I never planned to be, it looks like I'm a lifer. Had what was an almost guaranteed in at DL in the spring of 2001. We all know what happened in the fall of 2001 and that was that. Had a possible chance to go again in 2007 but due to many factors chose not to. Decided I was better off staying where I was and building seniority and QOL than going to the bottom of the list of an airline that was about to go through a merger.

Those pilots in the top 10% you refer to weren't born there. They stuck with it and earned their way there, working for years at much lower wages. They are nearing retirement, the kids are grown and now support themselves. We have no pension plan. The last few years they have at the airline are their best opportunity to earn a good wage while putting a large chunk of it away for retirement.

Obviously, I don't know your background or current situation but I do know that we all have to cover the same ground. Its a journey to a destination and your perspective depends on where you are along that path.

Look carefully in the mirror, the true problem lies in front of you. The minute you decided that you were there for the duration, you handed management the whip and bent over on your own volition. If you like that sort of abuse you have met your wet dream and have provided BH with jerkin' the gherkin material. If you aren't willing to quit on the day before you retire you have ceded your position of power.
Wake up any airline corporation has billions in assets that have to be moved to pay the bills, I can pay my bills by working the afternoon shift at Taco Bell with half a drunk on.

Who really needs who worse?

 

[701EV]

Look carefully in the mirror, the true problem lies in front of you. The minute you decided that you were there for the duration, you handed management the whip and bent over on your own volition. If you like that sort of abuse you have met your wet dream and have provided BH with jerkin' the gherkin material. If you aren't willing to quit on the day before you retire you have ceded your position of power.
Wake up any airline corporation has billions in assets that have to be moved to pay the bills, I can pay my bills by working the afternoon shift at Taco Bell with half a drunk on.

Who really needs who worse?

PBRstreetgang, just curios what top notch airline do you work for?

 

[Freebrd]

Believe he is at Skyw...warned us about BH remember?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

PBRstreetgang, just curios what top notch airline do you work for?

Name one top notch corporation, much less airline? I warned you about the evil little troll, but you all were too busy having a bromance. I am labor, plain and simple, my job is to do the heavy lifting at work, while 99% of airline management is just doing just enough, to justify leaving the NAMBLA meetings and go to the office and mess things up.
Management is your enemy, problem is you are too stupid to realize it. They hand you a ticket to the Mini-Indy and you gush like a little girl at a Justin Beiber autograph signing.
Personally if I found a CEO passed out in an alleyway, I would make sure he had a plastic dry cleaning bag pulled over his head to keep him from messing his hair up....