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[VWDrvr21]

I gotta get in on this shiz. I'm not one to complain much. I do my job, go home and expect to get compensated fairly for it. These concessions they are asking for is just complete BS! They gotta be out of their F^(KING minds to ask us to make less and be treated and worked the way we are just so we can get new flying and bigger jets. Hey MGMNT why don't you take those large jets and shove em up your ace! Last time I checked, Republic didn't take any concessions to get all of that flying for American. I'll be damned if I do a single day on reserve for less then what I'm making now! If they honestly want concessions that bad then BH's pay should be knocked down as well. That chart with their income is mind numbingly irritating to look at given the circumstances.


This line from Goodfellas explains how I feel now

http://youtu.be/cP_GOoBPKfQ

 

[enuffalready]

They love to stall, delay and drag their feet when it benefits them, now it's our turn. The longer the wait to get this done, the better the contract will have to be to keep current pilots and attract any new ones in a shrinking supply of qualified applicants.

Not a chance in hell I'll vote for any concessions, time to hold the line, especially since management has seen fit to give themselves raises.

THIS

if they even sniff at rigs its a F no! I am over them negotiating jacked up agreements with Delta, United, then come tell us we have to pay for it when they do dumb sh!t over and over. I swear to all that is holy i cannot wrap my brain around the sheer incompetence displayed on a regular basis from BH, SH, CT, etc. I used to think i just didn't have access to data and that they were doing a decent job, but good lord I was wrong. These guys are just not that bright

 

[wms]

here is what I expect, anything less is a "NO VOTE".

-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTAION POLICY (because SKYW pilots aren't going to support us.)
-5 hour min day.
-trip/duty rig based on actual.
-1 week vacation year 1, 2 year two, 3 year 5, 4 year 10(like the rest of the US)
-12 days off min every month for all pilots.
-alternate deadhead without approval (we're grown ups)
-eliminate occurrences (we're not hoodlums)
-eliminate duty in (we're grown ups)
-no call for release on reserve (we're grown ups)
-simple do-fly/don't fly list for reserves
-immediate notification and release or reassignment for cancellations
-evenly split pairing length between 1,2,3 and 4 days
-75 hours min every month, no moving window
-all days off hard
-no floating days off on reserve
-single day off requires additional day off for reserves
-hotel required in domicile when overnight cancellation
-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTATION POLICY
-specific formula for reserve coverage, not whim of Skd supv.
And of course, No loose language!
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[wms]

Not only am I not willing to give up anything, I want major improvements since mgmt is not willing to clean up the catastrophe they KNOW exists in the OCC. If we are going to be pushed and brow beaten by middle managers who can't find their butts with both hands then we need as much major contractual relief and improvement as possible in exchange for the hassle and misery.

 

[bri5150]

So funny. This is how Mesaba/Pinnacle threads were as well. Everyone is all up in arms saying there is no way they will vote yes...until your hand is forced and you vote yes or lose your job/airplanes. Good luck guys. I hope I am wrong.

 

[wms]

The difference is they do this to us every time, we have always held out.

 

[enuffalready]

The difference is they do this to us every time, we have always held out.

remember, they don't even need 50% of the pilots... they just need 50.01% of the pilots that VOTE. believe it or not, they already have a really good idea of the percentage of pilots that will actually vote and are structuring it to appeal to 50.01 of them. No different than a political election. If they go mostly after lxjt soft costs, B fund, etc, then it would mostly likely pass. not saying I agree, just making a point

 

[Clutch]

So funny. This is how Mesaba/Pinnacle threads were as well. Everyone is all up in arms saying there is no way they will vote yes...until your hand is forced and you vote yes or lose your job/airplanes. Good luck guys. I hope I am wrong.

You're already wrong. The pinnacle dooshers weren't up in arms at all. I remember one guy remarking on "how lean the company will be after the new concessionary contract" to gain more flying. What a bunch of turds.

 

[Freebrd]

huh huh he said turd

 

[Oakum_Boy]

This is way different than Comair. We will become a highly efficient single fleet airline that will be very lean and mean and difficult to compete with.

Reference the above if you have any questions about that group.

Don't forget, 85% think the way this guy does.

I'm voting No, and that's about it.

If they want to "force" us into concessions by declaring bankruptcy, then great. Let's go there. NOW.

(edited for content. I'm over the initial shock of re-reading that.)

 

[bri5150]

You're already wrong. The pinnacle dooshers weren't up in arms at all. I remember one guy remarking on "how lean the company will be after the new concessionary contract" to gain more flying. What a bunch of turds.

After the carrot was dangled, you are right. Before the carrot (where xjet is) everyone wanted to shut er down. Much like the general saying no more 76 seaters before their carrot was dangled. It's easy to say no way when there is nothing being dangled in front of you.

 

[XPOO]

This is way different than Comair. We will become a highly efficient single fleet airline that will be very lean and mean and difficult to compete with.

Is that why, as soon as the ink was dry, Delta took a whole bunch of 900s away from Pinnacle and sent them all to SkyWest, Inc?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

What carrot exactly are you talking about? The Delta interview?

Oh boy. I can see how a bunch of Gulfstream losers might find that an attractive offer.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Is that why, as soon as the ink was dry, Delta took a whole bunch of 900s away from Pinnacle and sent them all to SkyWest, Inc?

You moron. That was a Mesaba pilot quote. Get back to your solitaire game. But yes, that's exactly why they're idiots. Thanks for illustrating my point.

 

[XPOO]

You moron. That was a Mesaba pilot quote. Get back to your solitaire game. But yes, that's exactly why they're idiots. Thanks for illustrating my point.

Sir, yes, sir. Edited original post for politcal correctness. So sorry to have offended you, your royal highness. Please, go back to your regularly scheduled SkyWest, Inc. management/Endeavor pilot group bashing. Didnt mean to buzzkill you.

 

[Nevets]

here is what I expect, anything less is a "NO VOTE".

-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTAION POLICY (because SKYW pilots aren't going to support us.)
-5 hour min day.
-trip/duty rig based on actual.
-1 week vacation year 1, 2 year two, 3 year 5, 4 year 10(like the rest of the US)
-12 days off min every month for all pilots.
-alternate deadhead without approval (we're grown ups)
-eliminate occurrences (we're not hoodlums)
-eliminate duty in (we're grown ups)
-no call for release on reserve (we're grown ups)
-simple do-fly/don't fly list for reserves
-immediate notification and release or reassignment for cancellations
-evenly split pairing length between 1,2,3 and 4 days
-75 hours min every month, no moving window
-all days off hard
-no floating days off on reserve
-single day off requires additional day off for reserves
-hotel required in domicile when overnight cancellation
-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTATION POLICY
-specific formula for reserve coverage, not whim of Skd supv.
And of course, No loose language!
__________________

You are selling the LXJT contract WAY short!!!

After the carrot was dangled, you are right. Before the carrot (where xjet is) everyone wanted to shut er down. Much like the general saying no more 76 seaters before their carrot was dangled. It's easy to say no way when there is nothing being dangled in front of you.

The carrot has already been dangled. Inc has 600 orders for large RJs. The alternative is the parking of all our 50 seaters.

 

[nerjdriver]

Is that why, as soon as the ink was dry, Delta took a whole bunch of 900s away from Pinnacle and sent them all to SkyWest, Inc?

How many CRJs did inc lose to gojet your highness. Comair was wholly owned subsidiary of a mainline.....oh wait guess it's not different! Back to dispatching ORD-PIA XPOO.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Let's do a little math. 6 years ago we accepted a pathetic contract for our pilot group. We have been enduring its woeful inadequacies month after month, day after day, year after year. We complain, we cast aspersions on management, we get sick, we miss our families, but what do we really do about it? Well, this is your chance to make a stand. Win or lose, you can make a stand. Stand up and be counted. You will still have your self respect if you lose, because you acted in a way that you thought was correct and just. Back to the math. 6 years ago our compensation package was set. It's 6 years later now and inflation has taken about 14% of your compensation. If we simply agreed to no changes to our current contract, then we will take a 14% pay cut. Furthermore, at the rate of current inflation (14% per 6 years) you will take another 7% pay cut if we merely agree to keep the current contract for 3 years. Are you willing to take a 22% cut? If you agree to concessions, then you are going even deeper and further backwards. You do the the same work as Stevie Viagra at the major airlines, and some of you guys are smarter and more skilled. Don't be a weakling and accept some bully demanding your children's lunch money and your mortgage payment. You can crush the bully by voting no. The union and the company have become cozy. We are bigger and more powerful. Your vote is your power. You deserve better. Ask for more.
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

 

[gojo]

Is that why, as soon as the ink was dry, Delta took a whole bunch of 900s away from Pinnacle and sent them all to SkyWest, Inc?

You guys sound like Comair 10 years ago. The big bad vastly superior pilots that are going to bully everyone into a good contract. If any of you had a half a brain you'd study the last several decades of the aviation industry. Then maybe you'd realize just how cyclical this industry is. The regional model is changing. It grew quickly with the introduction of the ERJ's and CRJ's when gas was cheap. Now it's going back the other direction where they will become a place to get some experience and hopefully move on. Regionals wer'nt supposed to be career stops, but because of the last decade it became that way for many. That makes it very difficult to compete with younger airlines like Compass or Gojets.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Market forces...blah blah...

Management-born rhetoric you're obviously eager to reguritate. I actually hope this place tanks. Why should my paycheck change with the year? Answer that.

If people weren't so keen to show up and run themselves into the ground for a few hours of PIC, this wouldn't happen. I didn't come here to work for free. How about that market force.