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[bri5150]

You're already wrong. The pinnacle dooshers weren't up in arms at all. I remember one guy remarking on "how lean the company will be after the new concessionary contract" to gain more flying. What a bunch of turds.

After the carrot was dangled, you are right. Before the carrot (where xjet is) everyone wanted to shut er down. Much like the general saying no more 76 seaters before their carrot was dangled. It's easy to say no way when there is nothing being dangled in front of you.

 

[XPOO]

This is way different than Comair. We will become a highly efficient single fleet airline that will be very lean and mean and difficult to compete with.

Is that why, as soon as the ink was dry, Delta took a whole bunch of 900s away from Pinnacle and sent them all to SkyWest, Inc?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

What carrot exactly are you talking about? The Delta interview?

Oh boy. I can see how a bunch of Gulfstream losers might find that an attractive offer.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Is that why, as soon as the ink was dry, Delta took a whole bunch of 900s away from Pinnacle and sent them all to SkyWest, Inc?

You moron. That was a Mesaba pilot quote. Get back to your solitaire game. But yes, that's exactly why they're idiots. Thanks for illustrating my point.

 

[XPOO]

You moron. That was a Mesaba pilot quote. Get back to your solitaire game. But yes, that's exactly why they're idiots. Thanks for illustrating my point.

Sir, yes, sir. Edited original post for politcal correctness. So sorry to have offended you, your royal highness. Please, go back to your regularly scheduled SkyWest, Inc. management/Endeavor pilot group bashing. Didnt mean to buzzkill you.

 

[Nevets]

here is what I expect, anything less is a "NO VOTE".

-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTAION POLICY (because SKYW pilots aren't going to support us.)
-5 hour min day.
-trip/duty rig based on actual.
-1 week vacation year 1, 2 year two, 3 year 5, 4 year 10(like the rest of the US)
-12 days off min every month for all pilots.
-alternate deadhead without approval (we're grown ups)
-eliminate occurrences (we're not hoodlums)
-eliminate duty in (we're grown ups)
-no call for release on reserve (we're grown ups)
-simple do-fly/don't fly list for reserves
-immediate notification and release or reassignment for cancellations
-evenly split pairing length between 1,2,3 and 4 days
-75 hours min every month, no moving window
-all days off hard
-no floating days off on reserve
-single day off requires additional day off for reserves
-hotel required in domicile when overnight cancellation
-FULL RESTORATION OF FRAGMENTATION POLICY
-specific formula for reserve coverage, not whim of Skd supv.
And of course, No loose language!
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You are selling the LXJT contract WAY short!!!

After the carrot was dangled, you are right. Before the carrot (where xjet is) everyone wanted to shut er down. Much like the general saying no more 76 seaters before their carrot was dangled. It's easy to say no way when there is nothing being dangled in front of you.

The carrot has already been dangled. Inc has 600 orders for large RJs. The alternative is the parking of all our 50 seaters.

 

[nerjdriver]

Is that why, as soon as the ink was dry, Delta took a whole bunch of 900s away from Pinnacle and sent them all to SkyWest, Inc?

How many CRJs did inc lose to gojet your highness. Comair was wholly owned subsidiary of a mainline.....oh wait guess it's not different! Back to dispatching ORD-PIA XPOO.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Let's do a little math. 6 years ago we accepted a pathetic contract for our pilot group. We have been enduring its woeful inadequacies month after month, day after day, year after year. We complain, we cast aspersions on management, we get sick, we miss our families, but what do we really do about it? Well, this is your chance to make a stand. Win or lose, you can make a stand. Stand up and be counted. You will still have your self respect if you lose, because you acted in a way that you thought was correct and just. Back to the math. 6 years ago our compensation package was set. It's 6 years later now and inflation has taken about 14% of your compensation. If we simply agreed to no changes to our current contract, then we will take a 14% pay cut. Furthermore, at the rate of current inflation (14% per 6 years) you will take another 7% pay cut if we merely agree to keep the current contract for 3 years. Are you willing to take a 22% cut? If you agree to concessions, then you are going even deeper and further backwards. You do the the same work as Stevie Viagra at the major airlines, and some of you guys are smarter and more skilled. Don't be a weakling and accept some bully demanding your children's lunch money and your mortgage payment. You can crush the bully by voting no. The union and the company have become cozy. We are bigger and more powerful. Your vote is your power. You deserve better. Ask for more.
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

 

[gojo]

Is that why, as soon as the ink was dry, Delta took a whole bunch of 900s away from Pinnacle and sent them all to SkyWest, Inc?

You guys sound like Comair 10 years ago. The big bad vastly superior pilots that are going to bully everyone into a good contract. If any of you had a half a brain you'd study the last several decades of the aviation industry. Then maybe you'd realize just how cyclical this industry is. The regional model is changing. It grew quickly with the introduction of the ERJ's and CRJ's when gas was cheap. Now it's going back the other direction where they will become a place to get some experience and hopefully move on. Regionals wer'nt supposed to be career stops, but because of the last decade it became that way for many. That makes it very difficult to compete with younger airlines like Compass or Gojets.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Market forces...blah blah...

Management-born rhetoric you're obviously eager to reguritate. I actually hope this place tanks. Why should my paycheck change with the year? Answer that.

If people weren't so keen to show up and run themselves into the ground for a few hours of PIC, this wouldn't happen. I didn't come here to work for free. How about that market force.

 

[OCP]

You guys sound like Comair 10 years ago. The big bad vastly superior pilots that are going to bully everyone into a good contract. If any of you had a half a brain you'd study the last several decades of the aviation industry. Then maybe you'd realize just how cyclical this industry is. The regional model is changing. It grew quickly with the introduction of the ERJ's and CRJ's when gas was cheap. Now it's going back the other direction where they will become a place to get some experience and hopefully move on. Regionals wer'nt supposed to be career stops, but because of the last decade it became that way for many. That makes it very difficult to compete with younger airlines like Compass or Gojets.

You are right. And what we "superior pilots" are saying is... If you won't compensate us for what we do, then shut it down. We are done fighting over the lowest dollar. These companies that we work for made these deals without any input from us. They made these deal expecting that they could keep coming back and taking more and more. NOW IT STOPS.

http://stopthewhipsaw.com/Who_we_are.html

https://www.facebook.com/stopthewhipsaw

 

[No Delay]

Wms, I like all that. Add in an overhaul to how reserves are treated. Some pairing control and improvements,

5 hr min day! This is one of the most important. Fortaw has already mentioned the new rest rules will require us to fly an average extra 2 days a month. We will be down to 11 days off for 75 hours!!!!!!

I wish we could drag this thing out. We are negotiating the past. In less than 6 months we will be in a totally new environment. We have no real idea of what we need to ask for. Why why why are we trying to finish this now???

 

[Freebrd]

+1

Fly under our current contracts for awhile longer. Let BH sweat awhile.

NO CONCESSIONS!

 

[Mickey Mouse]

You guys sound like Comair 10 years ago. The big bad vastly superior pilots that are going to bully everyone into a good contract. If any of you had a half a brain you'd study the last several decades of the aviation industry. Then maybe you'd realize just how cyclical this industry is. The regional model is changing. It grew quickly with the introduction of the ERJ's and CRJ's when gas was cheap. Now it's going back the other direction where they will become a place to get some experience and hopefully move on. Regionals wer'nt supposed to be career stops, but because of the last decade it became that way for many. That makes it very difficult to compete with younger airlines like Compass or Gojets.

Get some experience and "hopefully" move on. The rest of you can shut up, drop your pants and take a 22% pay cut, as well as QOL reductions. Get in the box and put these shackles on slaves! You are now working for Johny Delta Hairdo. He's got alimony to pay and alcohol rehab bills. How dare you demand to keep your pay and compensation package where it was 6 YEARS AGO. "Get half a brain". I have a better idea. FK U Grandpa!

 

[79%N1]

The problem with the Regionals is this....they have zero control over their revenue. Most businesses can (attempt) to increase revenue when costs rise. Ours cannot. Our overlords force lower wages on our companies, there is competition, whip saw, etc. the only way a company CAN survive this is to (attempt to) lower costs. All this talk of inflation and our worth is total nonsense (to them). Delta says this is what you get to operate the flight, take it or leave it. Management has to take this rate or lose the flying. They realize that they can't stay afloat with that income. We all know they coulda, woulda or shoulda not taken that deal if they can't afford it, but we'd end up in the same place in the end. The majors (Delta) won this war, with the tactics they use. The regionals have lost. Now, before you think I'm for us taking cuts.....NO WAY! I am a solid NO vote on anything that decreases my pay and compensation in any way! I'm out, done! I work for not one cent less, as my hours will be cut drastically due to FT/DT rules and the insane increases coming to our health care costs. (See....affordable health care act). If a company cannot be profitable AND properly compensate their employees THEY NEED TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS! All these emotional responses to our leverage and worth and inflation is going to get us nowhere. They can't afford it, (see, rate reset) unless we think cutting in other places can save us. Maybe so, maybe not. But we need to stand our ground and expect the outcome to be the end of our company. The thinking that they can't find anyone to replace us is silly, because I think the Majors want less regional feed anyway, and they bet there are enough out there to work for peanuts again to replace us.

The next carrot will be a number at a Major in return for massive cuts. Usairways is already planning that.

A business that has no control of their revenue cannot survive! It is a failed and flawed business model that needs to go away.