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[Bizjet]

It has been mentioned by numerous crews that PBS was agreed to in a side letter from ALPA and that BW has been working on this for a while now.

From talking to pilots that have used PBS at other carriers, it is not a bad thing once you learn how to work the system.

Fly Safe...

Talking to other crews is certainly scientific research data. Maybe the MEC and CNC should get rid of the Wilson Center Polling and let you conduct your unbiased poll and save some money. I am certain you could do the job and we can be assured of the accuracy of your data.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Is BW Brian Wilson?

 

[ASADriver]

Talking to other crews is certainly scientific research data. Maybe the MEC and CNC should get rid of the Wilson Center Polling and let you conduct your unbiased poll and save some money. I am certain you could do the job and we can be assured of the accuracy of your data.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

So if ALPA has done scientific polling, and it has determined that we don't want this deal, why doesn't it just say so? ALPA wouldn't lie to us would they? Take the deal, and let the membership vote on it. The membership will let you know if it is acceptable. Is ALPA afraid of what the membership will say?

 

[PCL_128]

So if ALPA has done scientific polling, and it has determined that we don't want this deal, why doesn't it just say so? ALPA wouldn't lie to us would they?

ALPA never releases the results of Wilson Polling data. Only the MEC and CNC see that data. Publicly releasing polling data would be a horrible way of carrying out negotiations. When you buy a new car do you tell the salesman how high you're willing to go before he even tells you the price? That would be the same as telling the company what your polling data says. Not very smart.

Take the deal, and let the membership vote on it.

You don't seem to understand this: there is no deal!!! The company made a "supposal." That is not a deal or an offer. If they want to make an offer or a "deal," then they need to schedule a session with the mediator and submit a formal proposal. Until then, then you don't have any deal to vote on in the first place.

 

[Bizjet]

So if ALPA has done scientific polling, and it has determined that we don't want this deal, why doesn't it just say so? ALPA wouldn't lie to us would they? Take the deal, and let the membership vote on it. The membership will let you know if it is acceptable. Is ALPA afraid of what the membership will say?

You can't possibly be as THICK as you appear. If you are who took your ATP written for you?

 

[ASADriver]

You can't possibly be as THICK as you appear. If you are who took your ATP written for you?

Thanks for not answering the question and deflecting it again. Is that what they teach you in ALPA school? Most of the pilots I talk to say that these offers are acceptable if it stops the loss of aircraft to Skywest. I think ALPA is more concerned about ALPA than it is with the membership.

 

[ASADriver]

ALPA never releases the results of Wilson Polling data. Only the MEC and CNC see that data. Publicly releasing polling data would be a horrible way of carrying out negotiations. When you buy a new car do you tell the salesman how high you're willing to go before he even tells you the price? That would be the same as telling the company what your polling data says. Not very smart.



You don't seem to understand this: there is no deal!!! The company made a "supposal." That is not a deal or an offer. If they want to make an offer or a "deal," then they need to schedule a session with the mediator and submit a formal proposal. Until then, then you don't have any deal to vote on in the first place.

There isn't a deal, but there is an offer. The union won't pass it on to the membership, why not? Let us decide. ALPA isn't concerned about what will happen if Skywest transfers our flying.

 

[Bizjet]

Thanks for not answering the question and deflecting it again. Is that what they teach you in ALPA school? Most of the pilots I talk to say that these offers are acceptable if it stops the loss of aircraft to Skywest. I think ALPA is more concerned about ALPA than it is with the membership.

Most of the people you talk to? Would that include other members of management? Would most be two out of three? Six out of ten? Give us some real numbers ASAD!

 

[ASADriver]

Most of the people you talk to? Would that include other members of management? Would most be two out of three? Six out of ten? Give us some real numbers ASAD!

I'm a line pilot Bizjet, and about six out of ten agree with me. Not all, but a definate majority. This deal is probably as good as it gets and the prospect of losing flying to Skywest isn't worth the gamble. Take the deal and let the membership vote. The membership will settle this debate, let us have something to vote on.

 

[buscap]

I'm a line pilot Bizjet, and about six out of ten agree with me. Not all, but a definate majority. This deal is probably as good as it gets and the prospect of losing flying to Skywest isn't worth the gamble. Take the deal and let the membership vote. The membership will settle this debate, let us have something to vote on.

Yo Driver,

Thers is no offer, nor a deal. Get that in your head dude. Whatever they want should be presented to the Board. End of story. That is how NEGOTIATIONS work.

 

[Bizjet]

I'm a line pilot Bizjet, and about six out of ten agree with me. Not all, but a definate majority. This deal is probably as good as it gets and the prospect of losing flying to Skywest isn't worth the gamble. Take the deal and let the membership vote. The membership will settle this debate, let us have something to vote on.

When you keep talking to the same 10 people all the time and expect a different response isn't that the sign of insanity? About 6 out of 10? Would that be 5 or 7 out of 10? When do you anticipate releasing your polling data?

 

[ASADriver]

Yo Driver,

Thers is no offer, nor a deal. Get that in your head dude. Whatever they want should be presented to the Board. End of story. That is how NEGOTIATIONS work.

There is no deal, but the negotiating members say there is an offer. Why would the negotiators say there is an offer if there isn't one? Are you saying that the two sides can't negotiate without the NMB? What if the the NMB doesn't allow us to negotiate? Should we just sit here and let Skywest transfer the flying while we wait for the Board. The offer has been made, let the membership vote on it. I will accept the membership's vote on it, will you?

 

[Bizjet]

There is no deal, but the negotiating members say there is an offer. Why would the negotiators say there is an offer if there isn't one? Are you saying that the two sides can't negotiate without the NMB? What if the the NMB doesn't allow us to negotiate? Should we just sit here and let Skywest transfer the flying while we wait for the Board. The offer has been made, let the membership vote on it. I will accept the membership's vote on it, will you?

The next time you talk with the CNC members please go over your list of definitions and come to an agreement that you will be using any misstatement against all ALPA officers by calling them liars when they may not understand that you are using these definitions as a TOOL of your Self Serving, Anti-ALPA, Pro Management or ASA Manager agenda. You are losing any credibility you had gained as a true simpleton who just is too dim to understand and aligning yourself as either SELF SERVING, PRO MANAGEMENT, ANTI-ALPA or ASA MANAGER. Come on it's multiple choice you can answer! (D) all of the above if that is easier for you.:nuts:

 

[enuffalready]

. This deal is probably as good as it gets and the prospect of losing flying to Skywest isn't worth the gamble. Take the deal and let the membership vote. The membership will settle this debate, let us have something to vote on.

I am 100% certain this is bait, but I'll bite. If skywest raises their 50 and 70 seat pay, according to their company email then they will most definitely be more expensive than us. And if that is true, by your logic, we should be getting tons of new flying and airplanes because we would most certainly be cheaper. If we follow your logic, the longer we hold out, the longer we are less expensive to operate than skywest, the more we grow. The more airplanes skywest loses to us. You should be on here championing HOLD OUT, HOLD OUT!!

YOu must be really close to that 1000 PIC so you can get that job at UPS, SWA, right?

PS- No person over 5'6" or older than 19 actually uses the term DRIVER to describe what they do. Why don't you come stand next to me in the pilot's lounge so I have some place to put my frosty while I eat my Moe's...... dork.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Your the one who posted their offer. Would you take their deal? Sounds alot like what we were offered. Lets take it and move on with growing rather than shrinking.

Great! can you call your buddy Brian Lepuke and get them to offer it to us? So far it's still concessions. Idiot.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Like most of you words, they are wrong. I paid for my type rating, and it wasn't with Delta. But if it makes you feel better, then continue with your words.

Biscuit

At least you have the balls to admit you're the biscuit... you earn points for that.