Latest ASA offer

[ASARJMan]

If it doesn't count meeting without the NMB, then why are meeting with the company? Why is ALPA waisting it's time meeting without the NMB. Sounds like the story is changing again. If it doesn't count, then don't meet.

Hey, I agree. But the MEC feels it doesn't hurt to meet the company without the NMB present. "Exchanging ideas/thoughts" they say. I think it's wasting our time too. The company thinks they can sweet talk the MEC into something without the NMB present, which they can't.

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[ASADriver]

Oooooooooookkkk, one more time Biscuit. We have Section 13 TA'd, plus quite a number of other sections. ALL the sections have to be TA'd before the MEC can put it out to a pilot vote. Then the majority would have to vote in favor for it to be an official agreement.

ALPA has presented our proposal for the remaining sections. ASA mismanagement has not made a counter offer. So, until the company makes a counter before the mediator, nothing is going to happen, no matter how many times the company meets with the negotiating team unofficially. Get it yet?

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OOOOOOKKKKKKKK, so sounds like you and JohnP admit we already have quite a bit, but you want a great deal more. Again, if the unofficial meetings don't count, then why waste the time meeting. Either negotiate or don't, but quit playing games with our future. I don't care if it is "official" or not, get it done.

 

[ASADriver]

Hey, I agree. But the MEC feels it doesn't hurt to meet the company without the NMB present. "Exchanging ideas/thoughts" they say. I think it's wasting our time too. The company thinks they can sweet talk the MEC into something without the NMB present, which they can't.

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Well then I agree with the MEC. The NMB hasn't done much for the past 4 years, so try it without them. What is it exactly that we are holding out for anyway. The Skywest offer, and the "unofficial" company offer look fair to me and others.

 

[ASARJMan]

Well then I agree with the MEC. The NMB hasn't done much for the past 4 years, so try it without them. What is it exactly that we are holding out for anyway. The Skywest offer, and the "unofficial" company offer look fair to me and others.

I give up! Anyone else want to try to explain things to him?

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[Bizjet]

I give up! Anyone else want to try to explain things to him?

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He will never get it. He says get er done which is not consistent with the polling data unless we get what the majority wants. He is in the minority so he can squawk all he wants--he is just pi$$ing in the wind. You would be better off explaining this to a rock. There is maybe one in a million the rock might get it but there is no chance num nut$ will ever get it.

Patty Cake Patt Cake bakers man. Bake me a biscuit as fast as you can. Roll it up and roll it up and throw it in the pan.

 

[ASADriver]

He will never get it. He says get er done which is not consistent with the polling data unless we get what the majority wants. He is in the minority so he can squawk all he wants--he is just pi$$ing in the wind. You would be better off explaining this to a rock. There is maybe one in a million the rock might get it but there is no chance num nut$ will ever get it.

I believe the majority would take the "unofficial" offer, or the Skywest offer that was just posted. I believe some are holding out for alot more.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

I give up! Anyone else want to try to explain things to him?

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He sounds exactly like a conversation I had with Carl C. the other day. Like beating you head against the wall!

Dick

 

[HoserASA]

I believe the majority would take the "unofficial" offer, or the Skywest offer that was just posted. I believe some are holding out for alot more.

You have your own poll that you conduct ASADriver? ALPA constantly conducts polls of our pilot group, and this determines what the MEC and Negotiation Team negotiate for. They don't read or respond to anything posted on flightinfo.

There is no "unofficial" offer as you state, nor a Skywest offer. The only way this gets done is through the RLA,which is law. We have to go through steps/processes to achieve a TA, or the NMB releases us. Even then the President can prevent us from actually going out on strike. It's stacked against labor, and greatly favors management, especially with the Republicians in power. Read the material ALPA mails you to get a better understanding of the process.

Hoser
P2P

 

[ohplease!]

You have your own poll that you conduct ASADriver? ALPA constantly conducts polls of our pilot group, and this determines what the MEC and Negotiation Team negotiate for. They don't read or respond to anything posted on flightinfo.

There is no "unofficial" offer as you state, nor a Skywest offer. The only way this gets done is through the RLA,which is law. We have to go through steps/processes to achieve a TA, or the NMB releases us. Even then the President can prevent us from actually going out on strike. It's stacked against labor, and greatly favors management, especially with the Republicians in power. Read the material ALPA mails you to get a better understanding of the process.

Hoser
P2P

There was an "unofficial" offer from the company. Some of your buddies have called it "supposals". I talked to Chris and Yngve (forgive me if I spelled it wrong) for a very long time in the lounge a week or two ago and they both confirmed there was an offer from the company that seems VERY similar to what Skywest has alledgedly offered its pilots. According to them, there were some issues, predominantly PBS, that caused them to "balk" at the "supposal" and the company then withdrew that "supposal".

I'm sure most, if not all, of us understand the process. I'm also sure that if you choose to be a P2P rep., you should relay the facts and not your twisted version of the "facts". If you don't have the facts as stated by the CNC guy's, you should get them. We should be getting unbiased, correct information FROM you not GIVING it TO you.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

It has been mentioned by numerous crews that PBS was agreed to in a side letter from ALPA and that BW has been working on this for a while now.

From talking to pilots that have used PBS at other carriers, it is not a bad thing once you learn how to work the system.

Fly Safe...

 

[ASADriver]

You have your own poll that you conduct ASADriver? ALPA constantly conducts polls of our pilot group, and this determines what the MEC and Negotiation Team negotiate for. They don't read or respond to anything posted on flightinfo.

There is no "unofficial" offer as you state, nor a Skywest offer. The only way this gets done is through the RLA,which is law. We have to go through steps/processes to achieve a TA, or the NMB releases us. Even then the President can prevent us from actually going out on strike. It's stacked against labor, and greatly favors management, especially with the Republicians in power. Read the material ALPA mails you to get a better understanding of the process.

Hoser
P2P

There is no "unofficial" offer? Nor is there a Skywest offer? That isn't what your fellow union people say. JohnP. says it is an offer. Members of the CNC have told me and others that this was an offer. They say that it was declined because of PBS. They also said that our scheduling guy doesn't like PBS and that he is influencing things. I read everything I get from BOTH sides. I talk to our reps and to management. I think we are wrong.

 

[ASADriver]

Hoser,
Chris, Yngve, and Doug confirmed there was an offer. They also confirmed that this offer was declined because of PBS. If you are P2P, then why are you lieing about this offer. If you are lieing about this offer, then what else are you lieing about?

 

[ASADriver]

I'm sure most, if not all, of us understand the process. I'm also sure that if you choose to be a P2P rep., you should relay the facts and not your twisted version of the "facts". If you don't have the facts as stated by the CNC guy's, you should get them. We should be getting unbiased, correct information FROM you not GIVING it TO you.

Well said ohplease. I'm tired of being lied to by the people I am paying to look out for my best interests. I'm not the only one ALPA - quit lying to us.

 

[goodto50meters]

Well said ohplease. I'm tired of being lied to by the people I am paying to look out for my best interests. I'm not the only one ALPA - quit lying to us.

carl quit hiding behind your office door.asa management quit lying about being lied to liar. you are paid over 100k to be a pilot advocate not a lieing liar for liarbrecque.

 

[ASADriver]

carl quit hiding behind your office door.asa management quit lying about being lied to liar. you are paid over 100k to be a pilot advocate not a lieing liar for liarbrecque.

Am I Carl or Biscuit? You union guys need to get you stories straight. JohnP, ASARJ and Bizjet think I am Biscuit, which is it? I see you didn't answer any of the questions I or others brought up. Sounds like the union is trying to deflect the issues. Heaven forbid a member actually questions those who are paid by the members!