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[Diesel]

who is ignorant of the facts? Dispatchr or transpac?

edited because i saw the page went on and on

 

[El Chupacabra]

who is ignorant of the facts? Dispatchr or transpac?

Dude, I know, that you know, who is ignorant of the facts.

 

[dsptchrnja]

91K is a vast improvement from when they use to just call me at 0200 or 0300 for an ASAP. How could they possibly believe I was adequately rested?

So now you realize why they have to SCHEDULE someone to come on at 0300 because they do not have the option to ASAP you at 0300. This answers realityman's question directly.

If my flight doesn't leave until 0700, then why am I being brought out to the airport at 0300?

Either way someone got to be there at 0300. So tell me what would you guys would do differently and still provide the same level of coverage and service? Maybe scheduling will pick up some pointers.

 

[x402]

who is ignorant of the facts? Dispatchr or transpac?

FACTS, we ain't gonna let no stinkin' FACTS get in our way.

 

[Starman]

The company and the owner in question are probably setting themselves up for a multi-million dollar lawsuit from two minority pilots fired because a white owner that's a friend of Santulli didn't like flying with them. I see a whole long line of lawyers wanting a piece of that action.

The stupidity of this company never ceases to amaze me.

 

[realityman]

Dispatcher, once again you have hit the nail on the head. The problem is that if I show at 0300, and the possibility of an ASAP never happens, and then I'm calling in fatigued after only 7 or 8 hours of duty, it's being called a "union work action" or "difficult pilots" or some other such nonsense.
Actually, let me rephrase that. Even if I do fly an ASAP that early, thus justifying my being there, I'm still going to be too tired to fly after a relatively short duty day. And then the name-calling starts (maybe not to my face, but I know what gets said about pilots these days).
The question then becomes, do I give the pilots the 0300 show and end up dropping trips at the end of a relatively short duty because of a fatigue call, or do I have them show at 0530 for the 0700 trip, get a longer duty day out of them, and find something else to do with the early ASAP?

Truly, I don't envy scheduling, but it still seems like no one is doing anything proactive about rest cycles.

Sigh. I remember when this job used to be fun. I'm pretty much fed up with management-types AND unions.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Either way someone got to be there at 0300. So tell me what would you guys would do differently and still provide the same level of coverage and service? Maybe scheduling will pick up some pointers.

Its not scheduling.

Its upper management. They are the one's that sell too many shares for too few airplanes and crews.


Scheduling just has a jigsaw puzzle to put together. The size and shape of the pieces are determined at a higher level.

The solution is to have adequate crews available such that long hours are not necessary and those who will fly the backside of the clock know in advance and the circadain rhythms are not flipped back and forth.

There is no need to have people flying 5 6 7 or 8 legs in a day. 2 or 3 legs.... you are done. No legs T/O after you been on duty 9 hrs already.

just some ideas. The 135 ARC has a duty and rest proposal that would preserve circadian rhythms. Rest times protected every day/night.

 

[Hogprint]

This thread is turning into total B.S.

Bottom line... if you are really fatigued, it is your responsibility to tell the company. NJA does not reprimand fatigued pilots nor any other employees who have not broken a rule. They don't want fatigued pilots flying a/c and they aren't trying to figure out if you're telling the truth or not.

No pilot has ever been fired only because he called in fatigued. Everyone knows your little game here... the victim card is not working. You know when your too tired to fly - no one else is going to figure it out for you.

Not so fast dsptchr...

The company says it will support fatiqued calls with a memo from just gary. Then, wink wink nod nod, the acps try to coerce you into not calling in fatiqued, and worse, lots, I repeat, LOTS of pilots have done a bridgeway 1 arrival over fatique calls.

They can't have it both ways. Either they support us or they don't.

To answer you last statement. There have been pilots released for calling in fatiqued. Go back and check with your sources. I know you don't want to believe the company would do it, but they have proven they are very capable of this sort of intimidation.

 

[El Chupacabra]

IMO,

Someone who falls asleep due to being pushed all week by scheduling, does not merit being terminated.

Maybe a short suspension and "retraining" on fatigue.

Falling asleep due to fatigue is involuntary. Can happen to anyone.

But this is your reward for pushing your body to the limits for the company.

 

[JustInfo]

Well Put Realityman...

"Sigh. I remember when this job used to be fun. I'm pretty much fed up with management-types AND unions."

My feelings exactly. Just read through this and the union board and this place is getting downright embarrasing.