Kunpeng Pilots

[10nCLR]

The snowstorms in China probably halted operations for at least a month, right?

 

[dash8driver]

Road Rash, sorry if you thought I was slamming on you. I was specifically talking about the E170/190 contract. All the contracts I referenced before are Ejet.

Yes I do work contracts and I watch the market pretty closely.

Honestly, I don't watch the CRJ contracts, so I have nothing to compare them against.

When you compare apples to apples (E170/190), Kungblow (better?), does blow. Almost all of the contracts out there are paid offshore, so declaring the income or not is at your discretion.

I do know that Wasinc is paying below par for the A320 jobs they offer. They are having trouble finding people that want to work in India because of what they are offering. I know people that work in India and they love it there.

On a side note, take care not declaring your wages. There are many examples of contract pilots getting an audit from Uncle Sam. With your foreign housing exclusion and foreign earned income exclusion, you should be more than OK. With the counter terror push, it is much easier for the DOJ to see bank accounts outside of the USA. Don't think that just because an account is offshore that it is invisible.

The added risk of working for Wasinc is that they are a US company and the IRS would have access to their books in the event of an audit.

agreed... be careful with the irs, especially in this day and age. there is a fedex pilot that was taken to court by the irs.. she was based in the PI. she ultimately won, but i'm sure the road to victory wasnt fun. if you do run into issues, it might be worth looking up her case.

as tyuwerty pointed out, wasinc is a us company. its this us company that employs and pays you so when it hits the fan, they are gonna roll over for the irs for sure.

with that said.. keep all the money you can! just be careful.

 

[Road Rash]

The snowstorms in China probably halted operations for at least a month, right?

Ok guys, you got me hooked. Damn this web sight...

No the snow storms in China did not Halt our ops... however I decide a lot more than I did in Phoenix...

And thanks tyuwerty for not coming back and slamming me some more... Ok, maybe a little with the Kunblow statement!

Ok course I don't have it all figure out at this point, but I will say that Wasinc has gone international, and they are now based out of HK. Yes, they have offices in the US, and other places now, but like I said, my bank account in H/K, and the company I work for is in H/K. I'm sure my tax guy can sort it out, all I'm concerned about is how much I have to claim... If any.

The contract jobs in India don't even compare... Honestly, I have meet a few of them and the few that I have talked to, say its horrible living there and they can't wait to leave. With us, I am totally digging China; No its not the US; but I can only telling you we are having a blast over here.

I'm just trying to be a strait shooter, and tell it like it is. If I'm wrong I will come back and tell ya.

Keep it real, and good luck with your future indevors...

Crazy Chinese Captain....CCC

 

[10nCLR]

Hope you have a Happy Chinese New Year.

 

[dooork]

That my friend, is the exact reason why everyone despises MESA.

They have lowered their requirements and lowered the pay. That in turn puts downward pressure on the contract rates that pilots can get with the required experience.

This company helped to lower the bar in the USA, they are now exporting to the world.

So its just MESA that has lowered the bar??? Is that what you just said? Maybe you could think before you type.

 

[dooork]

Swordfish, this is not whining, it is an attempt to educate people about the realities of contract flying. I don't understand why pilots from the USA sell themselves short in the global contract market. They have premium training and experience gathered in a developed nation that is then sold to the lowest bidder.

These companies hire expats because they are DESPERATE, not because they like Westerners. When people say NO to these contracts, the terms and conditions tend to improve rapidly.

People need to keep in mind, when looking at contracts, once the host country can fill the seats with their own nationals, you are gone.

You need to be paid a premium for the lack of job security as well as the knowledge you are imparting.

Accepting these poor contract rates, the pilots of Kungpow are shooting themselves in the foot by lowering the pay for themselves and others down the road.

OHH yeah deja-vu, seen this before.

The regionals in the USA survive because of people that jump to undercut everyone else (gojet/mesa).

Some undercut some give it in concessions the list is a lot longer than gojets/mesa. Educate yourself!

 

[tyuwerty]

Doork, read the whole thread. MESA is mentioned specifically because THEY are the ones directly involved and partnered with Kunpeng in China. This isn't a history of lowering the bar, it is a concrete example of what MESA is CURRENTLY doing to overseas employment contracts.

Gojet was specifically mentioned because the honorable Swordfish came from there.

Dork, sometimes it is better to remain silent and not confirm to everyone that you are a f00l.

 

[dooork]

Doork, read the whole thread. MESA is mentioned specifically because THEY are the ones directly involved and partnered with Kunpeng in China. This isn't a history of lowering the bar, it is a concrete example of what MESA is CURRENTLY doing to overseas employment contracts.

Gojet was specifically mentioned because the honorable Swordfish came from there.

Dork, sometimes it is better to remain silent and not confirm to everyone that you are a f00l.

Again, educate yourself before you type! Mesa does not pay or set up the pay for this operation.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Ok guys, you got me hooked. Damn this web sight...

No the snow storms in China did not Halt our ops... however I decide a lot more than I did in Phoenix...

And thanks tyuwerty for not coming back and slamming me some more... Ok, maybe a little with the Kunblow statement!

Ok course I don't have it all figure out at this point, but I will say that Wasinc has gone international, and they are now based out of HK. Yes, they have offices in the US, and other places now, but like I said, my bank account in H/K, and the company I work for is in H/K. I'm sure my tax guy can sort it out, all I'm concerned about is how much I have to claim... If any.

The contract jobs in India don't even compare... Honestly, I have meet a few of them and the few that I have talked to, say its horrible living there and they can't wait to leave. With us, I am totally digging China; No its not the US; but I can only telling you we are having a blast over here.

I'm just trying to be a strait shooter, and tell it like it is. If I'm wrong I will come back and tell ya.

Keep it real, and good luck with your future indevors...

Crazy Chinese Captain....CCC

Road, can you please Pm me? I have an interview with wasinc for the China operation next week. Would like some information please.
I have been talking to Dave and Doug. I am a captain at ASA and honestly I am very interested in this. I have some seniority at ASA, but very unhappy here. I would like to talk to you more about this. Thanks

 

[tyuwerty]

Doork, ummmm yeah, guess you are right..... Mesa has nothing to do with providing the pilots or setting the pay. They must just be silent partners.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=78947&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=944480&highlight=

Ornstein said, "Mesa will initially provide significant technical capability, including pilot, maintenance and operations support and training, as well as the sourcing of aircraft"

It must just be a freak accident they pay lower for the EMB's than everybody else hiring expats.

 

[go!ng for broke]

Doork, ummmm yeah, guess you are right..... Mesa has nothing to do with providing the pilots or setting the pay. They must just be silent partners.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=78947&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=944480&highlight=

Ornstein said, "Mesa will initially provide significant technical capability, including pilot, maintenance and operations support and training, as well as the sourcing of aircraft"

It must just be a freak accident they pay lower for the EMB's than everybody else hiring expats.

I think the deal got changed by the C. Goverment months ago. Rumors say its going to change again in a bad way for Mesa. Good luck with a law suit in China, J.O.

 

[Road Rash]

I think the deal got changed by the C. Goverment months ago. Rumors say its going to change again in a bad way for Mesa. Good luck with a law suit in China, J.O.

This is very true... As of right now we only have about three or four Mesa types in the offices, and they are only here as contract employee... Just like me....

I'm sure there is more to the story. I have heard that Mesa is only here helping to get the operation going then all the ground help will slowly go away. Then all Mesa will have in an investment, in Shenzhen Airlines, which owns Kunpeng.

The rules are definitely different over here, and I'm even J.O. knows this, but then again maybe not...

Crazy Chinese Captain...CCC

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Yeah, doing business in China is tricky. Last year, a cellphone manufacturer (Motorola?) had a shipment of phones sent to China. It was all set up ahead of time: Customs, gov't, etc., etc.

When they were pulled off the plane/boat, Chinese Customs confiscated the phones. They said it was an illegal shipment. The phones disappeared, and the manufacturer never saw any money, or their phones again.

cliff
YIP

 

[dooork]

Doork, ummmm yeah, guess you are right..... Mesa has nothing to do with providing the pilots or setting the pay. They must just be silent partners.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=78947&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=944480&highlight=

Ornstein said, "Mesa will initially provide significant technical capability, including pilot, maintenance and operations support and training, as well as the sourcing of aircraft"

It must just be a freak accident they pay lower for the EMB's than everybody else hiring expats.

Ummmm yeah, I quess I am. You have been doooorked!

 

[BLing]

Is your FAA license enough, or does it have to be JAA?

When airlines overseas need pilots, they will get you the required license validation. My last contract had me flying F registered CRJ's. So I was given a French JAA validation. These validations are restricted to the airline you are flying for. All I had to do was fax copies of my certificates to France and I had a validation the next day.

 

[RJP]

So do they interview at the mesa academy or do they fly you to China for the process?

 

[akseiner]

Since wasinc is paying less than other contracts, as previously stated, what's the names of these? I know little of this type of flying, but am interested.

 

[rightseatjocky]

I just did my sim taking off the circle to land restrictions for them.
I have heard a lot of stories over there and non are bad. They take care of you over there and you are treated very well. I really want to do the 15th interview over there, but cannot get the time off. I am hoping to get there soon. Anyone trying or thinking about this. It is an awesome place to go.

 

[dash8driver]

just goes to show....

anywhere is better than mesa.

 

[rightseatjocky]

I am glad I never flew for Mesa.. hehe everyone hates it.