Kunpeng Pilots

[swordfish]

Ding, Ding, Ding!!!

Award goes to Road Rash for actually having a take in the Jungle.....Rest of you are LOSERS!!! Excepted,of course, the few of you that actually added useful information which is very rare in the Jungle.

 

[tyuwerty]

Swordfish,

I am wondering, am I a loser for pointing out that this jungle contract pays an average $20,000 to $40,000 per year less than other contracts out there?

Kunpeng/Mesa is lowering the bar for those of us that enjoy the benefits of working globally.

 

[swordfish]

Swordfish,

I am wondering, am I a loser for pointing out that this jungle contract pays an average $20,000 to $40,000 per year less than other contracts out there?

Kunpeng/Mesa is lowering the bar for those of us that enjoy the benefits of working globally.

...........

 

[swordfish]

Tyuwerty,

The pay for this job is lower because of the considerable less experience required. The problem I have with your attitude is that some guys want opportunities to get contract work overseas. This allows them an opportunity with a bit less experience than other jobs (naturally paying better) require. Guys can work for two years for this company, gain experience and then advance to the better paying job...sort of how the real world works out there.

Swordfish.

 

[dash8driver]

Swordfish,

I am wondering, am I a loser for pointing out that this jungle contract pays an average $20,000 to $40,000 per year less than other contracts out there?

Kunpeng/Mesa is lowering the bar for those of us that enjoy the benefits of working globally.

absolutely not. if only one pilot changed his mind and got a higher paying job after seeing your post, then it was well worth it.

 

[tyuwerty]

Tyuwerty,

The pay for this job is lower because of the considerable less experience required. The problem I have with your attitude is that some guys want opportunities to get contract work overseas. This allows them an opportunity with a bit less experience than other jobs (naturally paying better) require. Guys can work for two years for this company, gain experience and then advance to the better paying job...sort of how the real world works out there.

Swordfish.

That my friend, is the exact reason why everyone despises MESA.

They have lowered their requirements and lowered the pay. That in turn puts downward pressure on the contract rates that pilots can get with the required experience.

This company helped to lower the bar in the USA, they are now exporting to the world.

 

[swordfish]

Quit your Whining!- tyuwerty hmmmm...really???

 

[swordfish]

Those of you out there that havent figured it out..

More Experience= More Pay

Less Experience= Less Pay

How the hell do you all think the regionals survive.

 

[dash8driver]

Those of you out there that havent figured it out..

More Experience= More Pay

Less Experience= Less Pay

How the hell do you all think the regionals survive.

wow.. most of the industry must not have figured it out yet... it seems that most pay is based on aircraft size, not experience.

imagine the possibilities if companies could dictate pay based on a multi-variable, moving target like "experience".

how the hell do those regionals survive that pay higher salaries for the same aircraft? maybe as experience goes up, CASM goes down?

 

[tyuwerty]

Swordfish, this is not whining, it is an attempt to educate people about the realities of contract flying. I don't understand why pilots from the USA sell themselves short in the global contract market. They have premium training and experience gathered in a developed nation that is then sold to the lowest bidder.

These companies hire expats because they are DESPERATE, not because they like Westerners. When people say NO to these contracts, the terms and conditions tend to improve rapidly.

People need to keep in mind, when looking at contracts, once the host country can fill the seats with their own nationals, you are gone.

You need to be paid a premium for the lack of job security as well as the knowledge you are imparting.

Accepting these poor contract rates, the pilots of Kungpow are shooting themselves in the foot by lowering the pay for themselves and others down the road.

OHH yeah deja-vu, seen this before.

The regionals in the USA survive because of people that jump to undercut everyone else (gojet/mesa).

 

[swordfish]

You completely missed my point.....The majors pay significantly more because they want more experienced pilots flying their equipment...regionals pay less requiring less experienced pilots flying their equipment

777 Captains for Mainline are the most experienced pilots in the industry demanding the highest pay in exchange for their experience.

Turboprop First Officers are the least experienced pilots in the industry demanding the lowest pay in exchange for their experience.

Now quit your whining. When the industry turns and pays for years of whining experience than you will be flying the big jets at big pay.

 

[dash8driver]

lets review the 2nd post in the thread:

Why would you do that when most of the other CRJ crew leasers are paying upwards of $10,000 per month?

so, lets review the point which you apparently missed.. it is that kungpeng's contracts pay significantly lower than other contracts for the same size/type of aircraft.

that means that there are other operators flying similar aircraft that are willing to pay more.

i guess when the industry turns around and pays for years of being off track, you'll be making lots of money.

 

[Skaff]

You completely missed my point.....The majors pay significantly more because they want more experienced pilots flying their equipment...regionals pay less requiring less experienced pilots flying their equipment

777 Captains for Mainline are the most experienced pilots in the industry demanding the highest pay in exchange for their experience.

Turboprop First Officers are the least experienced pilots in the industry demanding the lowest pay in exchange for their experience.

Now quit your whining. When the industry turns and pays for years of whining experience than you will be flying the big jets at big pay.

I call BS. Heavy AC pilots get paid more because of the amount of seats. More seats equals more tickets which equals more cash. Generally speaking, those planes go to the pilots with most seniority, not the most experience. Management types have been known to sit in the office for several years, not gaining flying experience, then later decide to go back to the line, retaining their seniority. New hires have every rite to fly 777's, although their seniority won't allow it. That is why they usually start on the 737. Experience has nothing to do with the plane you fly except you need experience to get hired, no matter how much or how little

 

[tyuwerty]

Swordfish,

OHHHHHH I get it, now.... In order to get that experience, we are supposed to wh0re ourselves out every step of the way, until making the left seat of the 777.

Is that why you joined gojets?

 

[swordfish]

Great on you all...you have all the experience to fly the best contracts of the world at the highest pay and the rest of us are whores because we don't.

Tell me where I can go right now and make 110 thou a year with only 500 pic jet and no opportunity to get more???

Obviously if I had 1000, than I could look elsewhere.
I don't and I can't.

Why is it that this website breeds so many Whiners???

 

[tyuwerty]

Why is it that so many people on this website think it is OK to sell their services under market value?

Why is that this website breeds so many people that are looking for career shortcuts?

Look who is whining now... Oh poor me, I don't have 1000 pic.

What happened? Why where you were only able to get 500? Did you make the decision to leave before the 1000?

 

[dash8driver]

oh i see.. it was all about defensiveness over previous decisions... it all makes sense now..

now stop your whining...

 

[Road Rash]

Swordfish, this is not whining, it is an attempt to educate people about the realities of contract flying. I don't understand why pilots from the USA sell themselves short in the global contract market. They have premium training and experience gathered in a developed nation that is then sold to the lowest bidder. Like I said, this is just my take on the situation, maybe you have a lot of experience in the contract market, I said it before, this is my first venture into it and I think I'm doing ok. I really don't see how 110k a year is selling my self short. If you do the math 110,500 + 40% (tax) = 154,700... its hard to believe I'm lowering the bar.

These companies hire expats because they are DESPERATE, not because they like Westerners. When people say NO to these contracts, the terms and conditions tend to improve rapidly. Yes, they are DESPERATE, because Asia is growing so rapidly...

People need to keep in mind, when looking at contracts, once the host country can fill the seats with their own nationals, you are gone. Yes, you are correct with this one also, and they might be able to in about 20 years... ok, maybe 15, I would call that job security sense I plan on only being over here 10 to 15 years...MAX, at least I hope

You need to be paid a premium for the lack of job security as well as the knowledge you are imparting.
See above!

Accepting these poor contract rates, the pilots of Kungpow are shooting themselves in the foot by lowering the pay for themselves and others down the road. "Kungpow" that is really original, Again, See above!

OHH yeah deja-vu, seen this before.

And I'm sure some will point out that I will have to pay taxes on some of the pay. All I know is this, I work for a foreign company, my pay goes into an offshore account, the only money uncle sam knows I made is what I tell him.. Thats a Fact!

Some of the other contract jobs for the CRJ I looked into, the one in Japan does pay more, but then again the cost of living there is more than triple the cost of living here, and if you going to be picky, you need to take that into account. Also I think there is some CRJ jobs in India, if not I know that the same company (Wasinc) that does this contract is looking for Airbus captains in India and they are having a much tougher time finding pilots that want to work there so, Yes the pay is much higher on those contracts...

Do you research and decide whats best for you.

Peace out!

The regionals in the USA survive because of people that jump to undercut everyone else (gojet/mesa).

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[tyuwerty]

Road Rash, sorry if you thought I was slamming on you. I was specifically talking about the E170/190 contract. All the contracts I referenced before are Ejet.

Yes I do work contracts and I watch the market pretty closely.

Honestly, I don't watch the CRJ contracts, so I have nothing to compare them against.

When you compare apples to apples (E170/190), Kungblow (better?), does blow. Almost all of the contracts out there are paid offshore, so declaring the income or not is at your discretion.

I do know that Wasinc is paying below par for the A320 jobs they offer. They are having trouble finding people that want to work in India because of what they are offering. I know people that work in India and they love it there.

On a side note, take care not declaring your wages. There are many examples of contract pilots getting an audit from Uncle Sam. With your foreign housing exclusion and foreign earned income exclusion, you should be more than OK. With the counter terror push, it is much easier for the DOJ to see bank accounts outside of the USA. Don't think that just because an account is offshore that it is invisible.

The added risk of working for Wasinc is that they are a US company and the IRS would have access to their books in the event of an audit.

 

[MusicMan]

Why is it that this website breeds so many Whiners???

This website doesn't breed whiners. The whiners come here because it's a place to whine.