Kneeboard anyone?

[Illini Pilot]

i used the taller ASA version (fit a sectional without folding it), but never strapped it on, just as an organizer. it would fold and velcro open so that i had a clipboard for a pad of paper and then a place to throw flight plan forms and charts

 

[MTpilot]

I haven't used it in a while, but I use an old school brown one just like your gym teacher had, I turn it sideways with the big clip on the left for the plate, the I put a little clip on the top of the other half to keep some scratch paper handy, it works pretty good and when you don't need it you can easily set it on the floor because it isn't tied on.

 

[Ralgha]

Don't ever show up for a 121 sim eval with a kneeboard. I'm not kidding. This has actually happened.

I just memorize everything - with regard to civilian flying anyway, kneeboards are for students.

BS. Many people have done this, and many have gotten hired. Fly the sim they way you're used to flying, if that means using a kneeboard, then use a kneeboard.

Part of why I dislike the pilot community (individuals are usually great) is because they rip on people for stupid things like kneeboards. Some people like kneeboards, some don't. There is NOTHING wrong with it either way whether a student pilot in a 152 or an airline captain in a 747. Get over it.

 

[minitour]

I've been converted.

I used to use a kneeboard and still say if you need it, use it. Now I've gotten to the point where I have a system. Before I go, I put a post it note at my Departure airport, Departure alternate, destination and alternate airports in the binder all labled accordingly. Then the Binders get stacked and placed on the floor between me and my cap-e-tin (student) in the left seat (right by the fuel selector). I carry a small yellow notepad which I write down clearances and ATISs in a shorthand which unfortunately only I could understand. The checklist either goes wedged between the windshield (not screen) and the "dashboard" or in the side pocket. Wherever it goes, the notepad goes the opposite usually. Sometimes I'll put the notepad pen and pencil in the "glovebox" up front. Enroute chart and/or sectional in the yoke clip and my navlog (which I print out from Flitestar along with NOTAMS, etc) goes in a little bitty black binder in the side pocket.

When I get to my destination, I flip to my "marked" airport and find the right approach, brief it and go at it.

Can't say I've used a kneeboard since.....a while. Clipboard yes (the small one that came with the kneeboard). Kneeboard no...and I have been teaching students to not use them...clipboard is all ya really need at the most.

Sorry it got long winded...but an interesting discussion....more beer please!

-mini

 

[Travis152]

Thanks for the great responses everyone. I'm really just trying to start good habits early on in my flight training. My instructor doesnt really seem to be that "hip" with Cockpit Resource Managment either. I wish I could conduct my training as a pilot of a regional/major/freight airline would. Seems like it would be much safer and just good habit. If anyone has any tips on cockpit organization from the commercial world I am all ears.

Travis

 

[Travis152]

Thanks for the great responses everyone. I'm really just trying to start good habits early on in my flight training. My instructor doesnt really seem to be that "hip" with Cockpit Resource Managment either. I wish I could conduct my training as a pilot of a regional/major/freight airline would. Seems like it would be much safer and just good habit. If anyone has any tips on cockpit organization from the commercial world I am all ears.

Travis

 

[drinkduff77]

I've been converted.

I used to use a kneeboard and still say if you need it, use it. Now I've gotten to the point where I have a system. Before I go, I put a post it note at my Departure airport, Departure alternate, destination and alternate airports in the binder all labled accordingly. Then the Binders get stacked and placed on the floor between me and my cap-e-tin (student) in the left seat (right by the fuel selector). I carry a small yellow notepad which I write down clearances and ATISs in a shorthand which unfortunately only I could understand. The checklist either goes wedged between the windshield (not screen) and the "dashboard" or in the side pocket. Wherever it goes, the notepad goes the opposite usually. Sometimes I'll put the notepad pen and pencil in the "glovebox" up front. Enroute chart and/or sectional in the yoke clip and my navlog (which I print out from Flitestar along with NOTAMS, etc) goes in a little bitty black binder in the side pocket.

When I get to my destination, I flip to my "marked" airport and find the right approach, brief it and go at it.

Can't say I've used a kneeboard since.....a while. Clipboard yes (the small one that came with the kneeboard). Kneeboard no...and I have been teaching students to not use them...clipboard is all ya really need at the most.

Sorry it got long winded...but an interesting discussion....more beer please!

-mini

OCD anyone?

I agree with the more beer though.

 

[minitour]

OCD anyone?

Everyone at my "real" job seems to think so too :laugh:

 

[Lead Sled]

FWIW, In nearly 40 years of flying I've only flown with one guy who used a kneeboard. He was (is) a Navy Reserve P-3 pilot, so I guess it must be a military thing. In observing him, I honestly didn't see where it accomplished anything - he kept a running list of all of the frequencies, but you essentially have the same thing if you have "flip-flop" frequency selectors.

Personally, I have attached a small spring clip on the windshield centerpost. To that we attach a pre-printed TOLD (TakeOff and Landing Data) card. Takeoff data on one side, landing data on the other. There's plenty of room for the ATIS, Clearance, and Vspeeds. Some guys will simply use PostIt Notes which really work just as well.

Find a system that works for you and use it. Your system will invariably evolve as you gain experience or fly different equipment.

'Sled

 

[rfresh]

Good question. I was an airline instructor for a major airline. While I worked mostly in the training center in the sims, I flew a lot around the country in the jump seats on my way to different cities to do re-current training, etc.

I never saw one airline pilot use a knee board for the airline I worked for. I was an instructor on the B-727 and B-737 aircraft and there was around 1800 pilots - I knew almost all of them and flew with a lot of them. Never saw one use a knee board though.

That being said, when I flew in general aviation (C-172, C-310), I always used one...I just found it handy.

Ralph
www.wxnotice.com

 

[RJPilott]

My technique,

Steal a handful of printer paper from the crew room. Place in flight bag. Pull one out when i start my day. Fold it into fours so it is a quarter size. Place pen in shirt pocket. ATIS, clearence, W&B, Speeds, route changes, arrival gate and special instructions all fit on one quarter. Im good to go for 8 legs.

 

[Pilot_Ryan]

i used the taller ASA version (fit a sectional without folding it), but never strapped it on, just as an organizer.

Why am I reminded of:

"I tried marijuana once. I did not inhale."
--William J. Clinton

 

[SIG600]

Single seat jets... everyone uses em. Some guys it's all I see them walk out with. Mine has everything on in from check lists to local approaches, and other misc stuff, and a pad of paper at the bottom for random stuff. Everything we print out, or cards we make for the flights... all of it to knee board size. There's just no room for anything else, and if its not attached to you, you'll lose it doing anything dynamic.

 

[schoolio]

Everyone (that I've seen) uses them in the 64 community...some guys even use two. Nice convenient place to put all of that mission info.

As far as civilian flying, I still use mine. Old habits die hard, I guess. Would I use one once I make it to an airline? Dunno yet, but I don't think I'd want to be the "kneeboard dork"...

As long as you have a place to write down all of your pertinent info, you're fine.

 

[guppygoshawk]

Single seat jets... everyone uses em. Some guys it's all I see them walk out with. Mine has everything on in from check lists to local approaches, and other misc stuff, and a pad of paper at the bottom for random stuff. Everything we print out, or cards we make for the flights... all of it to knee board size. There's just no room for anything else, and if its not attached to you, you'll lose it doing anything dynamic.

The T-45 single seat now??