King Air Single Pilot?

[Smash312]

Quick question......I know the C90 is a single pilot aircraft, but someone I was talking to today was telling me that the King Air 200 and King Air 350 are NOT single pilot aircraft. I for some reason think otherwise. Can someone please fill me in with whether the 200 and 350 are single pilot or not?

Thanks.

 

[That Guy]

Quick question......I know the C90 is a single pilot aircraft, but someone I was talking to today was telling me that the King Air 200 and King Air 350 are NOT single pilot aircraft. I for some reason think otherwise. Can someone please fill me in with whether the 200 and 350 are single pilot or not?

Thanks.

Depending on the type of operation and number of people carried onboard, the 300 or 350 may or may not be flown single pilot. I'm fairly certain the same is true for the 200, but I could be wrong.

Hope this helps, sorry I don't have more details - I leave for 350 school on 24 April.

-TG

 

[sydeseet]

The 200 is normal category airplane so a SIC is not required per the FARs/FAA. The MTOW for a civilian 200 is 12500 - funny how they came up with that number eh? The military operates some 200's over that weight and you can obtain a BE20 type rating but it won't do you any good in the civilian world. Many operators use two pilots for insurance reasons and/or safety. The 300 & 350 are certificated under the transport category due to a MTOW >12500 and therefore require a qualifed SIC unless the pilot has taken a single-pilot type ride and has a "No SIC Required" endorsement on his certificate.

 

[Fly High]

The 200 is normal category airplane so a SIC is not required per the FARs/FAA. The MTOW for a civilian 200 is 12500 - funny how they came up with that number eh? The military operates some 200's over that weight and you can obtain a BE20 type rating but it won't do you any good in the civilian world. Many operators use two pilots for insurance reasons and/or safety. The 300 & 350 are certificated under the transport category due to a MTOW >12500 and therefore require a qualifed SIC unless the pilot has taken a single-pilot type ride and has a "No SIC Required" endorsement on his certificate.

You know your stuff dude! All of that is correct.

 

[Freight Dog]

Just a small correction... if you get a crew type rating in BE-300 (King Air 300 and 350), under limitations, you'll have BE-300 SIC Required. If you do single pilot type rating, there are no limitations on your license.

 

[Smash312]

Thanks for all the replies!!

 

[wingnutt]

You know your stuff dude! All of that is correct.

...or not :blush:

Freight Dog is correct

 

[moonlight]

I'm flying a 350 single pilot, and did my checkride as such. Not a big issue, especially since we got a new one w/ the Proline panel in it. Makes single pilot ops much easier in my opinion (once you decode it, that is...).

 

[sydeseet]

Just a small correction... if you get a crew type rating in BE-300 (King Air 300 and 350), under limitations, you'll have BE-300 SIC Required. If you do single pilot type rating, there are no limitations on your license.

DOH!! You're right!! I am without either rating so I was trying to remember what I have seen on other ATP certificates.

I stand corrected.:erm:

 

[AcroTim]

The 300 & 350 are certificated under the transport category due to a MTOW >12500 and therefore require a qualifed SIC unless the pilot has taken a single-pilot type ride and has a "No SIC Required" endorsement on his certificate.

That is actually incorrect too. The 300 is certified under SFAR 41 and the 350 is certified as a Part 23 Commuter. Just because the aircraft is over 12500 MTOGW does not warrant Part 25 certification. Beech decides what type certificate they want to attempt to get for the airplane. However, all models of King Airs are certified for single pilot on the type certificate. Operational requirements can be a different ball game.

 

[727gm]

I thought SFAR 41 was an appendix to FAR 23......

 

[FlierDude]

The 350 can be flown single-pilot with no more than 9 pax, no such limit on the 300. The 300 I flew had 10 pax seats, some can accomodate 14 but I've not seen one. 300's faster, too.

 

[AcroTim]

I thought SFAR 41 was an appendix to FAR 23......

Exactly! Part 23 is certification for Nontransport Category Aircraft. That was my point.

 

[StaticWick]

Exactly! Part 23 is certification for Nontransport Category Aircraft. That was my point.

You didn't mention anything about the insurance requirement. Insurance companies are hitting the pilot pool hard on the 350 & 300's wanting two pilots up front...and it's coming down to 200's & 90's. I am seeing advertised jobs wanting two pilots in front of the smaller ones.

Fed's make the rules. Insurance Companies run aviation.

 

[onthebeach]

Exp. KA Pilot Avail.: Corp. or charter; contract/full/part-time

ATP, 1st Class Med. BE-300 single-pilot type rating, FlightSafety trained. Experience in KA 350/200/90 (Corporate & Frax), 1700+ hours. 9900+ accident-/incident-free career flying hours. U.S. Passport, FCC RRTOP. email: [email protected].

 

[MauleSkinner]

The 200 is normal category airplane so a SIC is not required per the FARs/FAA

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Exception: the TCDS requires an SIC for Part 135 ops with high-density seating.

Fly safe!

David

 

[Strakes]

What StaticWick said. Insurance Insurance Insurance. We run our 200 with 2. The all-knowing aircraft salesman will tell you different. He also thinks that the 200 can do 292 TAS.

 

[B1900FO]

King Air single pilot

Max t/o in the B1900D is 17,120 and you can get a single pilot type for that as well. The 1900D is certified under Part 23 though so I'm sure that helps.

On a side note, the original 500 series Citations are certified under Part 25 but an STC can be done to allow single pilot operations without a waiver. I think the criteria is that you have to have a transponder ident button on the yoke, and boom mic and something else. Anyways. Theoretically you could get in any 200 on the ramp and fly it without any prior training.

 

[MauleSkinner]

What StaticWick said. Insurance Insurance Insurance. We run our 200 with 2. The all-knowing aircraft salesman will tell you different. He also thinks that the 200 can do 292 TAS.

I used to fly one that would do 290+ all day long...ya just have to pick one that was built on a Wednesday, instead of one built on a Monday or Friday

Fly safe!

David

 

[dragland]

I call Bullsh1t, unless it has raisbeck everything...

 

[MauleSkinner]

I call Bullsh1t, unless it has raisbeck everything...

Nope...straight from the factory, with about 100 hours on it.

 

[FlierDude]

I used to fly one that would do 290+ all day long...ya just have to pick one that was built on a Wednesday, instead of one built on a Monday or Friday

Probably a pitot-static error. Unless they repealed those pesky laws of physics for you, of course.

 

[wingnutt]

gotta agree with the above...unless it was a 3(00) instead of a 2(00)

 

[MauleSkinner]

Probably a pitot-static error. Unless they repealed those pesky laws of physics for you, of course.

All ya gotta do is prove that it didn't make book, and I'll agree

Fly safe!

David

 

[Hung Start]

Let me throw my 2 cents in. I owned and operated a 100 series for about 8 years, flew single pilot until the last two under 135. The insurance company dictated two pilots the last two years, and both pilots needed Simcom or something annually.
You didn't need 2 pilots per the FAR's,,,UNLESS the autopilot was inop for IFR operations. But then,, the friendlies really got rid of that loophole by mandating a cockpit voice recorder for any turbine powered six seater or more if there was no/inop autopilot. And, very few (including me) were willing to shell out for a CVR for an older King Air.
History lesson over.
Hung

 

[Say Again Over]

I used to fly one that would do 290+ all day long

I don't doubt what you say but in my 2500 hours of KA200 it was closer to 270KTS.

 

[That Guy]

Hey everyone -

Just finished up the BE-300 type rating today at FlightSafety Wichita, without the SIC required limitation.

:beer:

Two guesses where I'm headed now - and if it doesn't involve hopps and scantily clad women, you're wrong!

Fly safe everyone. By the way, I can highly recommend the fine folks at FSI Raytheon Learning Center in Wichita. Some of the best training I've had, compared to military/135/121 professional training I've done in the past.

Plus the Center Director is a Steelers fan. Gotta love it!

-TG

 

[Diesel]

262 all day long, and we had every god damn raisbeck thing they would sell. plus it was a B200

 

[Snakum]

I've never seen above 260 true, and we also have the full boat Raisbeck mods. Of course ... ours is a tired old Beetch, and she won't trim out cuz she's been bent.



I still love her, though. :blush: