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Kerry Purple Heart Doc Speaks Out
The medical description of his first wound.

By Byron York

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200405041626.asp

Some critics of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry have questioned the circumstances surrounding the first of three Purple Hearts Kerry won in Vietnam. Those critics, among them some of Kerry's fellow veterans, have suggested that a wound suffered by Kerry in December 1968 may have made him technically eligible for a Purple Heart but was not severe enough to warrant serious consideration, even for a decoration that was handed out by the thousands. Whatever the case, Kerry was awarded the Purple Heart, and, along with two others he won later, it allowed him to request to leave Vietnam before his tour of duty was finished.

Kerry was treated for the wound at a medical facility in Cam Ranh Bay. The doctor who treated Kerry, Louis Letson, is today a retired general practitioner in Alabama. Letson says he remembers his brief encounter with Kerry 35 years ago because "some of his crewmen related that Lt. Kerry had told them that he would be the next JFK from Massachusetts." Letson says that last year, as the Democratic campaign began to heat up, he told friends that he remembered treating one of the candidates many years ago. In response to their questions, Letson says, he wrote down his recollections of the time. (Letson says he has had no contacts with anyone from the Bush campaign or the Republican party.) What follows is Letson's memory, as he wrote it.

"I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay.
John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.

"The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.

"Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.

"That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.

"What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.

"I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.

"The wound was covered with a bandaid.

"Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat.
 
In contrast to your implied attack of Kerry, George W showed some true grit when he decided to report for duty to get a dental exam. That takes guts. I find it interesting that both Senator Mcain and Bob Dole have come to Kerry's defense when the Bush team attacks his service.
 
I don't think anyone out there questions Kerry's service. They do, and should, question his wounds and his accounts of the attacks in which he suffered these "wounds". It's already well documented by even his own military records that, with three wounds total, none required much more than a swab and bandaid and he did not miss one day due to his injury.

Reminds me of Major Burns of MASH fame getting a purple heart for "shell fragments" which actually came from a hard boiled egg.

As for the rest of Kerry's campaign, this man is no where like you or me as he tries to hard to claim. He's a kept man who enjoys the luxuries of five palatial estates in five states and pays $1000 for a haircut, and that doesn't include the hair dresser's round trip aboard the missus' GV to make the appointment!

This guy wants to be all to all. I don't respect anyone who panders to anyone and everyone for a vote, especially from politicians!

2000Flyer
 
One, that isn't "the Bush team" attacking his service, it was a Navy doctor who was there.

Two, Kerry served only four months instead of the standard year in Viet Nam because of his three Purple Hearts. The circumstances mentioned above suggest that the early departure was less due to great heroism than to a careful plan to become a "war hero" by any means in the shortest possible time and then depart without further personal risk.

Three, Kerry has made unending references to his service in Viet Nam, which makes it a reasonable subject for scrutiny.

Finally, from http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005036

Unfit for Office
I was on Mr. Kerry's boat in Vietnam. He doesn't deserve to be commander in chief.

BY JOHN O'NEILL
Tuesday, May 4, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

HOUSTON--In 1971, I debated John Kerry, then a national spokesman for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, for 90 minutes on "The Dick Cavett Show." The key issue in that debate was Mr. Kerry's claim that American troops were committing war crimes in Vietnam "on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." Now, as Sen. Kerry emerges as the presumptive Democratic nominee for the presidency, I've chosen to re-enter the fray.

Like John Kerry, I served in Vietnam as a Swift Boat commander. Ironically, John Kerry and I served much of our time, a full 12 months in my case and a controversial four months in his, commanding the exact same six-man boat, PCF-94, which I took over after he requested early departure. Despite our shared experience, I still believe what I believed 33 years ago--that John Kerry slandered America's military by inventing or repeating grossly exaggerated claims of atrocities and war crimes in order to advance his own political career as an antiwar activist. His misrepresentations played a significant role in creating the negative and false image of Vietnam vets that has persisted for over three decades.

Neither I, nor any man I served with, ever committed any atrocity or war crime in Vietnam. The opposite was the truth. Rather than use excessive force, we suffered casualty after casualty because we chose to refrain from firing rather than risk injuring civilians. More than once, I saw friends die in areas we entered with loudspeakers rather than guns. John Kerry's accusations then and now were an injustice that struck at the soul of anyone who served there.

During my 1971 televised debate with John Kerry, I accused him of lying. I urged him to come forth with affidavits from the soldiers who had claimed to have committed or witnessed atrocities. To date no such affidavits have been filed. Recently, Sen. Kerry has attempted to reframe his comments as youthful or "over the top." Yet always there has been a calculated coolness to the way he has sought to destroy the record of our honorable service in the interest of promoting his political ambitions of the moment.

John Kennedy's book, "Profiles in Courage," and Dwight Eisenhower's "Crusade in Europe" inspired generations. Not so John Kerry, who has suppressed his book, "The New Soldier," prohibiting its reprinting. There is a clear reason for this. The book repeats John Kerry's insults to the American military, beginning with its front-cover image of the American flag being carried upside down by a band of bearded renegades in uniform--a clear slap at the brave Marines in their combat gear who raised our flag at Iwo Jima. Allow me the reprint rights to your book, Sen. Kerry, and I will make sure copies of "The New Soldier" are available in bookstores throughout America.

Vietnam was a long time ago. Why does it matter today? Since the days of the Roman Empire, the concept of military loyalty up and down the chain of command has been indispensable. The commander's loyalty to the troops is the price a commander pays for the loyalty of the troops in return. How can a man be commander in chief who for over 30 years has accused his "Band of Brothers," as well as himself, of being war criminals? On a practical basis, John Kerry's breach of loyalty is a prescription of disaster for our armed forces.

John Kerry's recent admissions caused me to realize that I was most likely in Vietnam dodging enemy rockets on the very day he met in Paris with Madame Binh, the representative of the Viet Cong to the Paris Peace Conference. John Kerry returned to the U.S. to become a national spokesperson for the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, a radical fringe of the antiwar movement, an organization set upon propagating the myth of war crimes through demonstrably false assertions. Who was the last American POW to die languishing in a North Vietnamese prison forced to listen to the recorded voice of John Kerry disgracing their service by his dishonest testimony before the Senate?

Since 1971, I have refused many offers from John Kerry's political opponents to speak out against him. My reluctance to become involved once again in politics is outweighed now by my profound conviction that John Kerry is simply not fit to be America's commander in chief. Nobody has recruited me to come forward. My decision is the inevitable result of my own personal beliefs and life experience.

Today, America is engaged in a new war, against the militant Islamist terrorists who attacked us on our own soil. Reasonable people may differ about how best to proceed, but I'm sure of one thing--John Kerry is the wrong man to put in charge.

Mr. O'Neill served in Coastal Division 11 in 1969-70, winning two Bronze Stars and additional decorations for his service in Vietnam.
 
Kerry is worse than Hillary Clinton. He went to Vietnam simply to enhance his political career. That is evident from the statements he made to his men. He recieved questionable wounds and asked to leave after 4 months and that request was granted. I completely call his service into question. What kind of officer abandons his post before his tour is up?

I will tell you what kind. The same kind that leaves the theater, comes home and immediately begins accusing his fellow servicemen of crimes they did not commit for political mileage.

There is one word for Mr Kerry:

Opportunist.

A very dangerous kind of person to put in the White House. Clinton was an opportunist, and he brought us the "Agreed Framework" that assisted N Korea in developing nukes, sold secrets of all varieties to the Chinese for campaign donations and then let terrorists trample us and did nothing.

I am sure we can count on Mr Kerry to do that and worse.

Vote Libertarian!!!
 
Though I disagree with Kerry on many issues, as long as he was treated by a Doc, wouldn't he technically deserve a Purple Heart?

If I remember correctly it was any wound, that required treatment by a medical officers, received in the line of duty in combat. Or something like that.
 
The "Bush Team" has 180 million dollars to attack Kerry with. I imagine they have a team of extremely bright people searching the globe for dirt on Kerry. Notice that this Navy doctor hasn't said a word about this for 35 years but suddenly he speaks up.


Something to consider. Towards the end of your article "America is engaged in a new war, against the militant Islamic terrorists who attacked us on our own soil."

It's interesting to note that the very family that orchestrated the 9/11 attack have been business associates of the Bush family for years. Doesn't that sound shocking? They became business associates with Bush senior and James Baker by investing millions in the Carlyle group. Could you imagine the outrage if it was discovered that Bill Clinton had personally profitted from dealings with Osama's family? He cought enormous heat over a few bj's. Did you know that after 9/11 when general aviation was grounded the White House approved the departure of over 100 connected saudi's from the US by private jet without being questioned by the FBI. Included in that number were siblings of Osama himself. Don't you think a sane government would atleast question close family members of Osama bin laden?

Sounds like Kerry was trying his best to build his "resume" with minimal personal exposure. Bush seems to have some pretty shady business associates and somehow scored an extremely cushy national guard slot with questionable credentials. They are both typical politicians.
 
As long as all of you served in the military, your have the right to an opinion on the subject. Anyone who has not volunteered to serve their country has no right to say anything. He was there, and he did get shot at. He didn't duck and cover and use his family connnections to stay at home, and then not meet those obligations. When it comes down to it, do you want someone who has a 30 year history in Federal Government, good or bad, served his country in combat, or do you want someone whos Dad was president?
 
MUCKRAKING

Yeah, it would have been much more honorable to bypass 300 names through political connections, get a slot in a "champagne unit" and then leave early to help a politician campaign.

The conservative press will never come to terms with the fact that Kerry was a war hero, while the Bush and Cheney (five deferals because he had "other priorites") and even Rush "4F - back problems" Limbaugh took the low road.

Hypocrites!
 
The story of Kerry firing mortars at a shoreline and being hit with fragments is EXTREMELY unlikely. The fragmentation range is well short of the minimum range of mortars (at least the 60 and 81mm, which if on a boat, he probably had 60's). To get the rounds that close, he would pretty much have to fire the mortar without the baseplate on and the tube pointed straight up (which would most likely get his ass kicked by everyone around him).

I wasn't a mortarman, but I think this story smells funny. I find it in uncalled for to sit back and pick apart someone's military career in their own quest for political gain. If you can show me convincing evidence that Kerry did not serve with honor (BEFORE he came back, mind you) then shut up and color. Unless you can show me convincing evidence that Dubya was AWOL, which no one has, then shut up.

I'm not saying I like Kerry, in fact, I think he is an outrageous douchebag, but that's besides the point. I know plenty of a$$holes that have demonstrated incredible amounts of courage and heroisim under fire. The unfortunate truth is that even if someone is a hero, it doesn't necessarilly make them a great person when the steel stops flying. I wish that werent' the truth, but it is. Just lay off attacking them for what they did while fighting for our country. We at least owe them that.
 
This does get funny...


http://www.kings.edu/twsawyer/awol/docs/doc24.gif

It is well documented that George W. Bush never showed up for National Guard duty for a period of approximately one year, possibly more, in 1972-1973. Despite all the talk about "honor and dignity," Bush seems to have a problem meeting his commitments.

This man is nothing short of a complete and total disgrace to the office that he currently holds.



Gaps Remain In Bush Guard Service

WASHINGTON, May 4, 2004



Candidate Reality Check


George W. Bush is shown during his time in the Texas Air National Guard, 1968-73, in this undated photo. (Photo: AP)


Sen. John F. Kerry, D-Mass., seen in this 1960s photo, receives a military decoration during the Vietnam War. (Photo: AP)


THE FILE:
1ST LT. G. W. BUSH







(CBS) By Beth Lester,
CBS News Political Unit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As the back and forth over military service continues, the Bush and Kerry campaigns are engaged in an increasingly personal battle over who served and how. The continuing questions have prompted a new CBS News investigation into the first military records shakedown of this presidential campaign: the drawn-out battle for the records of President George W. Bush.

The missing military records include a bevy of forms, logs, pay stubs and evaluations from Mr. Bush's time in the Texas Air National Guard. CBS News' evaluation of all the documents released by the White House confirms that the records have several holes.

One important question concerns a required physical that President Bush missed in 1972. Because of his absence, Mr. Bush lost his flying wings. Air National Guard regulations require that "the local commander who has authority to convene a Flying Evaluation Board will direct an investigation as to why the individual failed to accomplish the medical examination." But there are no records of an investigation or of any requests to complete one.

There are various possible explanations. Perhaps the investigation was never concluded or never forwarded up the chain of command. The regulation says the commander "will" direct an investigation but it does not require the completed report to be forwarded up the chain of command. The commander "may" do so, but it is not required. The report could have been lost at lower levels.

Or perhaps, as journalist James C. Moore suggests in the liberal online magazine Salon, Mr. Bush thought the grounding would end his obligation to the Guard and was happy to let the matter drop. Or maybe, also a Moore speculation, there was a drug or alcohol induced reason for Mr. Bush's absence that he and his superiors wanted to avoid publicizing.

In 2000, Mr. Bush said he missed the physical because his family doctor was in Texas. But, as Time magazine reports, Air Force surgeons must perform the physicals and there was no surgeon shortage in Alabama. In March 2004, the White House said Mr. Bush did not need the physical because he was not flying. Regardless of these speculations, there is no record of any investigation in Mr. Bush's file. As Moore concludes, "A pilot simply did not walk away from all of that training with two years remaining on his tour of duty without a formal explanation as to what happened and why."

As for the highest profile issue, the available files do not clear up the "missing" section of the president's National Guard service. From May 1972 through May 1973 there are highly irregular records for his attendance at required drills, reports Walter Robinson in the Boston Globe. During that time, Mr. Bush had been given permission to move from his home base in Houston to Montgomery, Ala., to work on a Congressional campaign.

Until February of this year, no documents existed to suggest that Mr. Bush performed any duty in either Texas or Alabama during those months. Pay stubs released in February show that he was paid for enough days in Alabama to be judged "satisfactory," but that he did not do any duty between April 16 and October 28, 1972, and that he failed to show up for training in December 1972, February 1973 and March 1973.

There is nothing in the records from that key period beyond those pay stubs – no evaluations from either Mr. Bush's Alabama supervisors or his Texas ones. In fact, Mr. Bush's Texas evaluators wrote on May 2, 1973 that, "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of report. A civilian occupation made it necessary for him to move to Montgomery, Alabama. He cleared this base on 15 May 1972 and has been performing equivalent training in a non-flying status with the 187th Tac Recon Gp, Dannelly ANG Base, Alabama." But no Alabama records exist. And Mr. Bush's official discharge papers include no evidence of any duty between May 1972 and October 1973, when he left the Guard.

Beyond those two issues, there are several others unaddressed by Mr. Bush's files. At the same time, the president is not alone in having some holes in his military records. A CBS News investigation shows evaluations are missing for the periods of 11 March 1967 to 21 March 1967 and 15 April 1967 to 7 June 1967. The first gap is probably explained by traveling time as Kerry switched bases, but the second is unaccounted for at this point. The Kerry campaign said repeatedly that it has made public all of its records.

CBS News military analyst Mitch Mitchell says there is no way to know what is missing or if there is anything missing in the first place. According to Mitchell, there is no uniform or standard filing form and most observers agree that National Guard records from that period are a mess. The only expectation, says Mitchell, is that evaluations should be continuous and have no breaks.

The Kerry campaign thinks it has a winner with this issue. Kerry himself broke his silence last week and said, "I think a lot of veterans are going to be very angry at a president who can't account for his own service in the National Guard." And the Kerry camp sent out a press release entitled "KEY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS: Bush's Record In The National Guard." As spokesman Chad Clanton said, "Voters are going to have to decide: someone who volunteered to service their country when their country needed them or someone else who, you know, it speaks for itself. It is a contrast, it is a difference. … There is no better test than whether someone is committed to defending their country than whether they've put their life on the line on the battlefield."

For its part, the Bush-Cheney campaign is unmoved, directing reporters to a statement made last Tuesday by communications director Nicolle Devenish that said, in part, "Instead of explaining his record, John Kerry has turned to political attacks on the President. John Kerry is doing exactly what he said he would never do, 'divide America over who served and how.'" Devenish is referring to a statement made by Kerry in 1992 when Bill Clinton was a candidate for the presidency.

One way to resolve all of these questions is for both candidates to sign a "release authorization form," which would allow the National Personnel Records in St. Louis to provide any interested party with their complete documents. Mr. Bush has not signed one so far and the White House says he has no plans to do so. Sen. Kerry has not signed the form either, although no one contacted for this article suggested that documents are missing from Kerry's record. The Kerry campaign would not say whether the senator had any plans to sign a release authorization in the future.

It seems unlikely that either campaign will end the military records debate anytime soon. Both campaigns see national security credentials as important in this election year and letting the other off the hook would be a monumental concession. Stay tuned for more controversy instead.


By Beth Lester
©MMIV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.





:rolleyes:


3 5 0


http://www.awolbush.com/
 
Can it get much more comical?

http://www.awolbush.com/kerry-vs-bush.asp


3 5 0

Still missing are:
Bush's DD-214
Any pages from Bush's flight log
Records from the Flight Inquiry Board convened after Bush was suspended as a pilot
Any evidence of Bush's reclassification into another AFSC after suspension as a pilot
Anything at all from any Alabama unit with Bush's name on it
Anything proving service by Bush between May 1972 and May 1973
 
I don't really know if Kerry is a war hero. Really doubt it. He didn't do anything else I'd assume that was anything different from any other soldier/sailor who served in Vietnam.

However, Bush's entry into the guard was with a unit that had 7 Dallas Cowboys and the sons of 2 U.S. Senators. Big difference from someone who volunteers, whatever the reason behind it.

Let's not forget Cheney and his 5 student deferments. What a tough guy!!! Sadly they'll do whatever it takes to make Kerry look like a p-u-s-s-y and themselves like real stand-up guys instead of admitting it was a controversial war they wanted no part in.

If there really is a politician out there that could be called a hero, it would be McCain for never giving in to his Vietnamese captors. I've seen a video of him in captivity where they tried to get him to say he was being treated humanely, and I believe he did just the opposite, went a little nuts, gave the camera the finger, etc. Could have gotten himself killed and probably took some beatings for it.

The conservative nuts on this board would probably say in the same situation that Kerry would have given in and Bush and Cheney would have been real men and taken a McCain like stand!! Blah, Blah, Blah, BS!!!
:rolleyes:

When it comes down to it, Kerry has killed other human beings in service of his country. Big difference from the guys in office now.


Mr. I.
 
Not uncommon if you ask me. I got out of the Marines 10 months ago and none of these dumbasses know where ANY of my records are. I'm new to the guard thing, but from what I am aware, it is possible for a guardsman to "drill out the year" in several weeks and then have no obligation for the rest of the Fiscal Year, thus having a "Sat" year. You CANNOT have a sat year without meeting the minimum amount of drills. If this were the case, and Bush's physical expired during that time, then yes, he would be off flying status. And no, they would probably not bother training him on another AFSC. (Do you know what that means by the way?)

It is also likely for reservists/guardsman to not "show-up" for training. Guardsman have civillian lives too and some circumstances do not allow them to attend a months training. This is normal and there are procedures for it.

But I suppose you were witness to all this and knew he had ill intentions..... or at least you read it on the internet or something....
 
Mr. Irrelevant said:
I don't really know if Kerry is a war hero. Really doubt it. He didn't do anything else I'd assume that was anything different from any other soldier/sailor who served in Vietnam.

However, Bush's entry into the guard was with a unit that had 7 Dallas Cowboys and the sons of 2 U.S. Senators. Big difference from someone who volunteers, whatever the reason behind it.
So Bush didn't volunteer? Sounds like youre blowing hot air to me. I will agree with you about McCain having balls tho...
 
Mr. Irrelevant said:

Let's not forget Cheney and his 5 student deferments. What a tough guy!!! Sadly they'll do whatever it takes to make Kerry look like a p-u-s-s-y and themselves like real stand-up guys instead of admitting it was a controversial war they wanted no part in.
Just like you want no part in the war on terror? Draft or no draft, America needs servicemen/women badly. The situation will get worse in the coming years too. Where will you be?
 
I'll bite Marine. I wish I had done military service at a much younger age. I don't believe they'd even take me at my age now. Not an excuse but at least I'd have the sack to say I don't want to serve right now as opposed to opting for student deferments or call my father and get into a guard slot as a "volunteer"! It was a cushy slot Marine and you and everyone else on the Repub side knows it. It doesn't mean he isn't a good or bad president. I'm just tired of seeing the GOP blow smoke up our asses about Kerry being such a p-u-s-s-y when their guy "volunteered" for a unit that was clearly set up to give special priveleges to those with connections.

Maybe we should think of the reason behind the lack of volunteers for the services. I doubt anyone here would hold back on volunteering if the world were faced with a WWII situation again. This war on terror is not the same and deserves to be in Afganistan and Pakistan until Osama is toast! It is there obviously but not with the force it could have. Why?? Because we went to Iraq on some BS WMD scare. That's a whole other political quagmire now that I really don't believe Bush nor Kerry has the faintest clue how to handle. And neither do I.


Mr. I.
 
Just like you want no part in the war on terror? Draft or no draft, America needs servicemen/women badly. The situation will get worse in the coming years too. Where will you be?
terrorism isn't going to be over with just because they caught Saddam and it aint going to be over with when they catch Usama either, the feds figure terrorism and fear of terrorism is a trend that will here for a long time.
 

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